# Health Care Doublecross > A Christmas Eve analysis of global police immunity, the stripping of legal personhood from detainees, and the corporate interests driving the latest Senate healthcare overhaul. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 159 - **Published:** 2009-12-24 - **Length:** 1h 48m - **Topics:** Interpol Immunity, [Healthcare Reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-reform.md), Dred Scott Precedent, [Levamisole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/levamisole.md), Climate Indoctrination, Executive Order 12425 - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross ## About this episode President Barack Obama signed an amendment to Executive Order 12425 this week, granting Interpol unprecedented immunity and legal autonomy on American soil. This directive prevents the search of Interpol archives and property by U.S. law enforcement, effectively establishing a global police presence exempt from domestic oversight. The move coincides with a Supreme Court ruling involving British former Guantanamo Bay detainees that strips enemy combatants of personhood, a legal shift drawing comparisons to the 1857 Dred Scott decision. In the Senate, a 1,400-page healthcare reform bill passed with a controversial provision in Section 3403 that attempts to prevent future Congresses from repealing the Independent Medicare Advisory Board. John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry analyze market data suggesting a pump-and-dump scheme, noting that insurance company insiders are selling shares as stocks hit 52-week highs. Meanwhile, the CDC and DEA report that 69% of seized cocaine now contains Levamisole, a veterinary dewormer, while military officials face scrutiny over the jailing of Specialist Alexis Hutchinson for refusing deployment to care for her infant. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak ring in the holiday with a dramatic reading of Al Gore’s climate change poetry amidst a massive Midwest blizzard. The duo critiques Build-A-Bear Workshop for releasing animated content that warns children of a melting North Pole. The episode concludes with a satirical musical performance by Cece Chapman and the hosts, celebrating the necessity of pod-safe Christmas carols in the age of RIAA litigation. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/transcript.md. ### 1. Al Gore Global Warming Poetry and Christmas Blizzard (0:01–3:14) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the Christmas Eve 2009 episode by discussing a massive blizzard hitting the Midwest. They mock the concept of a "global warming blizzard" and recite a dramatic poem attributed to Al Gore regarding environmental collapse. Keywords: [al gore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-gore.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [poetry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poetry.md), [blizzard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blizzard.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Executive Producer Credits and Wall Street Journal App Costs (3:15–9:36) The hosts acknowledge executive producers for Episode 159, including Sander Hoogsbergen, Maria Stratton, and Julie Lee. A listener note from Jeff Wright in Jacksonville highlights the $52 annual subscription cost for the Wall Street Journal iPhone app. Keywords: sander hoogsbergen, [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), [iphone app](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iphone-app.md), [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Robert Gibbs Press Briefings and Barry from DC (9:37–14:48) White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs is ridiculed for his performance during daily press briefings. The hosts discuss a report that President Barack Obama called into Governor Tim Kaine's radio show using the pseudonym "Barry from DC." Keywords: [robert gibbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-gibbs.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [tim kaine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tim-kaine.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Supreme Court Ruling on Enemy Combatant Personhood (14:49–21:48) A Supreme Court ruling involving four British former Guantanamo Bay prisoners effectively determines that individuals deemed enemy combatants are not "persons" under U.S. law. This legal status removes protections against torture and due process, drawing comparisons to the science fiction film Gattaca. Keywords: [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [guantanamo bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guantanamo-bay.md), [donald rumsfeld](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-rumsfeld.md), [enemy combatant](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enemy-combatant.md), [torture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/torture.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Media Incompetence and the Dred Scott Precedent (21:49–23:38) The lack of mainstream media coverage regarding the recent Supreme Court ruling on detainee personhood is criticized. The hosts compare the current legal situation to the 1857 Dred Scott case, which denied citizenship and constitutional protections to people of African descent. Keywords: dred scott, [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [media coverage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-coverage.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Executive Order 12425 and Interpol Immunity in America (23:38–27:57) President Obama signed an amendment to Executive Order 12425, granting Interpol complete immunity within the United States. This order prevents Interpol agents, archives, and property from being searched or subject to U.S. legal oversight, effectively creating a global police force with free rein on American soil. Keywords: [interpol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interpol.md), executive order 12425, [ronald reagan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronald-reagan.md), [immunity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immunity.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Rage Against the Machine Christmas Number One Campaign (27:57–29:47) A Facebook campaign successfully pushed the 1992 Rage Against the Machine track "Killing in the Name" to the Christmas number one spot on the UK charts. This effort broke a four-year streak of winners from Simon Cowell's X Factor program dominating the holiday sales. Keywords: [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [rage against the machine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rage-against-the-machine.md), [x factor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/x-factor.md), [simon cowell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/simon-cowell.md), [cliff richard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cliff-richard.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Healthcare Reform Bill and Corporate Influence Laws (29:48–36:41) The Senate approved a 1,400-page healthcare bill, which the hosts characterize as window dressing for corporate interests. They discuss a defunct 1954 Wisconsin law that once prohibited corporations from making any financial contributions to influence legislation or political candidates. Keywords: [healthcare reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-reform.md), [senate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate.md), [tom hartman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-hartman.md), wisconsin law, [corporations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Insurance Stock Pump and Dump Conspiracy Theory (36:42–44:49) John C. Dvorak proposes a theory that the healthcare bill is a "Chicago pump and dump" scheme designed to inflate insurance company stocks. He notes that insurance stocks hit 52-week highs while company insiders are aggressively selling their shares before the final bill is reconciled. Keywords: [wellpoint](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wellpoint.md), [humana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/humana.md), [joe lieberman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-lieberman.md), [insider trading](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insider-trading.md), [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Howard Dean on Meet the Press and Market Puts (44:49–50:39) Howard Dean's appearance on Meet the Press is analyzed, specifically his mention of insurance stocks reaching record highs. The hosts examine current put and call options for Humana, drawing parallels to unusual market activity seen immediately prior to the September 11 attacks. Keywords: [howard dean](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/howard-dean.md), [david gregory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-gregory.md), [meet the press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meet-the-press.md), [put options](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/put-options.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Section 3403 and the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (50:40–53:28) Section 3403 of the Senate healthcare bill contains a provision that forbids future Congresses from repealing or changing the subsection regarding the Independent Medicare Advisory Board. Critics argue these boards, populated by pharmaceutical industry veterans, act as "death panels" by regulating Medicare growth rates. Keywords: [harry reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harry-reid.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [death panels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/death-panels.md), [senate bill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate-bill.md), [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/11.md) ### 12. No Agenda Business Model and Listener Donations (53:28–1:02:11) The hosts contrast their "value-for-value" funding model with NPR and PBS, which rely on corporate underwriting. They acknowledge various donations, including a "tip" from an unemployment debit card and proceeds from the No Agenda iPhone app. Keywords: [value-for-value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), battle bears, [iphone app](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iphone-app.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/12.md) ### 13. NPR Advertising and the Tom Hartman Show Pacing (1:02:12–1:05:07) NPR's transition toward traditional advertising models is criticized following statements from their chairwoman regarding corporate underwriting. The hosts argue that commercial breaks on shows like Tom Hartman's ruin the flow of discussion and lead to self-censorship to appease sponsors. Keywords: [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [tom hartman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-hartman.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [corporate sponsorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-sponsorship.md), [nielsen ratings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nielsen-ratings.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Sympony Drug Advertisement and Fungal Infection Warnings (1:05:08–1:08:08) A pharmaceutical advertisement for the rheumatoid arthritis drug Sympony is analyzed for its extensive list of terrifying side effects. The ad warns of fatal infections, cancer, and heart failure, while maintaining an upbeat tone about the convenience of a once-monthly injection. Keywords: sympony, [rheumatoid arthritis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rheumatoid-arthritis.md), methotrexate, [side effects](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/side-effects.md), [tuberculosis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tuberculosis.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/14.md) ### 15. CDC Report on Levamisole Dewormer in Cocaine (1:08:08–1:11:27) The CDC and DEA report that 69% of seized cocaine shipments in the United States contain Levamisole, a veterinary deworming drug. The hosts speculate that drug cartels may be using the "dangerous side effect" marketing tactic used by legal pharmaceutical companies to shift users toward heroin. Keywords: [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [cocaine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cocaine.md), [levamisole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/levamisole.md), [dea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dea.md), [drug cartels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drug-cartels.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Army Specialist Alexis Hutchinson and Deployment Ultimatums (1:11:28–1:16:10) Army Specialist Alexis Hutchinson was jailed after refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because she had no one to care for her nine-month-old son. The child was placed in state foster care, highlighting a growing crisis for single military parents forced to choose between service and their children. Keywords: alexis hutchinson, [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [foster care](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foster-care.md), [military policy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-policy.md), single parents [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Pregnancy Bans and Gender Equality in the Military (1:16:25–1:18:53) The U.S. military has reportedly implemented policies that forbid active-duty personnel from becoming pregnant, with the threat of court-martial. The hosts discuss this as a potential consequence of equal rights taken to a "misogynistic extreme" that ignores biological realities. Keywords: [pregnancy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pregnancy.md), [court-martial](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/court-martial.md), equal rights, [military law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-law.md), [misogyny](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/misogyny.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Water Fluoridation and Lithium Supplementation Proposals (1:18:54–1:23:52) The history of water fluoridation is traced back to Alcoa's need to dispose of aluminum manufacturing byproducts. A new trend involves proposals to add lithium to public water supplies to reduce suicide rates and mental illness, which the hosts view as a government effort to keep the population docile. Keywords: [fluoride](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fluoride.md), [lithium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium.md), alcoa, [water supply](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/water-supply.md), [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Lithium Battery Waste and Rainwater Collection Laws (1:23:53–1:30:32) The rise of lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles is expected to lead to increased lithium contamination in groundwater. Additionally, the hosts discuss the illegality of collecting rainwater in many U.S. states, contrasting it with the mandatory cistern systems used in Bermuda. Keywords: [lithium-ion batteries](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium-ion-batteries.md), [epa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epa.md), [bermuda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bermuda.md), [rainwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rainwater.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Build-A-Bear Climate Change Indoctrination for Children (1:30:34–1:34:29) Build-A-Bear Workshop released an animated series for children depicting the North Pole melting and the end of Christmas due to climate change. The hosts criticize this as early-childhood indoctrination and mention a New Zealand book, "Time to Eat the Dog," which calculates the carbon footprint of pets. Keywords: build-a-bear, [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [north pole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-pole.md), [hbo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hbo.md), [sustainable living](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sustainable-living.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Rajendra Pachauri and IPCC Financial Scandals (1:34:31–1:38:33) Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, faces allegations of financial impropriety regarding his ties to banks and organizations that profit from climate policy recommendations. Pachauri denies the claims, asserting that all payments go to his research institute rather than his personal accounts. Keywords: [rajendra pachauri](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rajendra-pachauri.md), [ipcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipcc.md), sunday telegraph, [carbon credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-credits.md), [deutsche bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deutsche-bank.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Christmas Sign-off and Prostitutes for the Economy (1:39:29–1:45:04) The hosts sign off for the holiday, noting their next show will be broadcast from Yosemite National Park. They conclude with a satirical quote from economist Marc Faber suggesting that spending money on "prostitutes and beer" is the only way to keep wealth within the American economy. Keywords: [yosemite](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yosemite.md), [marc faber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marc-faber.md), [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md), [economy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/159-health-care-doublecross/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Pod-safe Christmas Song Performance (1:45:14–1:48:01) The episode concludes with a collaborative musical performance featuring Cece Chapman, Len and Nora from Jawbone, and Adam Curry. The song parodies the need for "pod-safe" Christmas music to avoid legal action from the RIAA. 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