# The Chit

> Geopolitical tensions escalate as Beijing targets Elon Musk, the FBI backs the lab leak theory, and leaked WhatsApp messages rock the British government.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1534
- **Published:** 2023-03-02
- **Length:** 3h 4m
- **Topics:** China Pivot, TikTok Ban, Lockdown Files, [Havana Syndrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/havana-syndrome.md), [Lab Leak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lab-leak.md), [Scott Adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), [Bakhmut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bakhmut.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit

## About this episode

The Chinese Communist Party issued a direct warning to Elon Musk via the Global Times after the Tesla CEO amplified reports regarding the COVID-19 lab leak theory. This geopolitical friction coincides with a new House Select Committee on China, led by Mike Gallagher, which is currently investigating the national security implications of the recent surveillance balloon incident and the data collection practices of TikTok. As the Biden administration orders federal agencies to purge the social media app within thirty days, lawmakers are advancing the DATA Act to grant the executive branch broader powers to ban foreign-owned software entirely.

In the United Kingdom, the Telegraph released The Lockdown Files, a massive leak of 100,000 WhatsApp messages from former Health Secretary Matt Hancock that suggest officials ignored clinical advice on care home testing. Meanwhile, the Department of Energy and FBI Director Christopher Wray have shifted the American intelligence consensus by backing the Wuhan lab leak assessment with varying levels of confidence. On the front lines in Ukraine, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen arrived in Kiev to pledge $1.2 billion in direct budget support while Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the Pentagon of maintaining biological research facilities near the Russian border. Domestic investigations into Havana Syndrome have also reached a stalemate, with five U.S. agencies now claiming it is very unlikely a foreign adversary is responsible for the mysterious cognitive impairments reported by diplomats.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the absurdity of Vice President Kamala Harris directing citizens to the non-existent internet.gov for connectivity subsidies. The duo also analyzes the sudden cancellation of Dilbert creator Scott Adams and the technical challenges of maintaining the No Agenda Social community on Mastodon. Between reports of mysterious drone strikes near Moscow and the trend of Ukrainian soldiers freezing their sperm, the hosts find time to critique the high-speed podcast listening habit and the questionable authenticity of Shake Shack’s new white truffle menu.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/transcript.md.

### 1. Texas Hailstorm, Star Trek Fan Feedback (0:00–2:14)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the session by addressing listener corrections regarding Star Trek, Star Wars, and the film Total Recall. Curry describes a severe microburst hailstorm in Fredericksburg, Texas, that produced quarter-sized hail and woke his household at 5:00 AM. The dog's unusual reaction to the storm and the potential for vehicle damage from Texas hail are noted.

Keywords: [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [fredericksburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fredericksburg.md), [hailstorm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hailstorm.md), [star trek](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/star-trek.md), total recall, fan feedback

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/1.md)

### 2. China Pivot, Elon Musk Global Times Warning (2:14–5:45)

The discussion shifts to a perceived geopolitical pivot toward China, citing news coverage of spy balloons, TikTok, and fentanyl. CNBC reports that the Chinese Communist Party's Global Times warned Elon Musk against "breaking the pot of China" after he retweeted COVID-19 lab leak theories. President Xi Jinping is reportedly leading a drive to attract foreign capital despite shaky international business sentiment following zero-COVID protocols.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), global times, [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), [cnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnbc.md), [investment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/2.md)

### 3. COVID-19 Lab Leak Theory, Mike Pompeo Intelligence (5:46–8:51)

The narrative surrounding the origins of COVID-19 is revisited following new reports from the Department of Energy. Historical clips of Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump from 2020 are played to show that the lab leak theory was discussed early in the pandemic. The hosts suggest the theory is being resurrected now to facilitate a broader political confrontation with China.

Keywords: [covid-19](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19.md), [wuhan lab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wuhan-lab.md), [mike pompeo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pompeo.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md), [lab leak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lab-leak.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/3.md)

### 4. House Select Committee on China, TikTok Security Risks (8:52–13:47)

A new House committee chaired by Mike Gallagher is focusing on threats posed by the Chinese Communist Party, including the surveillance balloon incident. Lawmakers, including Senator Marco Rubio, argue that TikTok poses a national security risk due to data collection and potential influence operations. The committee is seeking a bipartisan ban on the app, citing its ties to the CCP and its impact on American democracy.

Keywords: [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md), [mike gallagher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-gallagher.md), [marco rubio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marco-rubio.md), [ccp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ccp.md), [icbm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/icbm.md), [house select committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-select-committee.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Department of Energy Report, FBI Lab Leak Assessment (13:48–18:33)

Catherine Herridge reports on a classified Department of Energy assessment that points to a possible lab leak in Wuhan with "low confidence." FBI Director Christopher Wray has also supported the lab leak theory, while other intelligence agencies remain undecided or favor natural transmission. The hosts discuss the discrepancy between the FBI and CIA assessments and question the validity of the "million American deaths" statistic.

Keywords: [department of energy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-energy.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [catherine herridge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/catherine-herridge.md), [wuhan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wuhan.md), [christopher wray](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-wray.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/5.md)

### 6. John Kirby on Gain-of-Function Research, Trump Xenophobia Claims (18:33–22:55)

White House spokesperson John Kirby addresses whether the rewards of gain-of-function research outweigh the risks, stating that President Biden believes legitimate scientific research is necessary to prevent future pandemics. The discussion also covers media claims that Donald Trump's rhetoric regarding the "Wuhan flu" fueled xenophobia and prevented an honest early conversation about the virus's origins.

Keywords: [john kirby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kirby.md), [gain-of-function](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gain-of-function.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [xenophobia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xenophobia.md), [pandemic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pandemic.md), [research](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/research.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/6.md)

### 7. UK Lockdown Files, Matt Hancock WhatsApp Leak (22:56–26:53)

The Telegraph has published "The Lockdown Files," consisting of 100,000 leaked WhatsApp messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock. The messages, leaked by journalist Isabel Oakeshott, suggest Hancock ignored clinical advice regarding testing in care homes. Additionally, the files reveal that UK authorities briefly considered the euthanization of all pet cats to prevent virus spread.

Keywords: [matt hancock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-hancock.md), [the telegraph](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-telegraph.md), isabel oakeshott, lockdown files, [whatsapp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whatsapp.md), [uk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/7.md)

### 8. DATA Act, TikTok Ban Legislation (26:53–29:53)

The House Foreign Affairs Committee, led by Michael McCaul, voted to advance the DATA Act, which would grant the president powers to ban TikTok. The hosts argue that the security concerns are a pretext for protecting Silicon Valley companies from Chinese competition. They assert that TikTok's data collection is no more invasive than that of Facebook or Google.

Keywords: data act, [michael mccaul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-mccaul.md), [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), house foreign affairs committee

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Federal Device TikTok Ban, DHS iMessage Deactivation (29:53–32:49)

The White House has given government agencies 30 days to remove TikTok from all federal systems. Simultaneously, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered the deactivation of iMessage on government-furnished Apple devices, forcing a shift to SMS and MMS. The hosts question why TikTok was ever allowed on federal devices and why the iMessage ban was more immediate than the TikTok removal.

Keywords: [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md), [imessage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imessage.md), [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md), federal devices, [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [sms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sms.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Gretchen Whitmer TikTok Comment, Apple BlueMail AI Block (32:50–35:17)

Governor Gretchen Whitmer's comment about not being worried about TikTok because she only has "one phone" is mocked for its lack of clarity. In tech news, Apple blocked an update for the BlueMail app because it integrated ChatGPT-powered AI features without sufficient content filtering. The hosts view these moves as inconsistent corporate gatekeeping.

Keywords: [gretchen whitmer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gretchen-whitmer.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), bluemail, [artificial intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/artificial-intelligence.md), [chatgpt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatgpt.md), [app store](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/app-store.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Bakhmut Assault, European Peace Protests (35:19–38:18)

Ukrainian forces face a relentless assault in Bakhmut, with military officials signaling a potential tactical withdrawal. Meanwhile, large-scale peace protests occurred in London and Berlin, where demonstrators called for an end to Western military aid and a push for negotiations. In contrast, a march in Brussels showed continued support for arming Ukraine to defend democracy.

Keywords: [bakhmut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bakhmut.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [berlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berlin.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), peace protest

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Janet Yellen Kiev Visit, Russian Asset Seizure (38:18–40:30)

U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen made a surprise visit to Kiev to announce $1.2 billion in direct budget support, part of a larger $10 billion aid package. Yellen discussed further sanctions and the potential confiscation of frozen Russian assets to fund Ukrainian reconstruction. The hosts debate the legality of seizing sovereign Russian funds under international law.

Keywords: [janet yellen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-yellen.md), [kiev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kiev.md), [volodymyr zelensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volodymyr-zelensky.md), [russian assets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-assets.md), [sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctions.md), budget support

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Ukrainian Soldier Casualties, Sperm Freezing Trend (40:31–43:00)

France 24 reports on a trend of Ukrainian soldiers freezing their sperm before heading to the front lines due to high casualty rates. The hosts note the lack of official death tolls for Ukrainian forces compared to the frequent reporting on Russian losses. They suggest the war is having a devastating impact on the male reproductive demographic in Ukraine.

Keywords: [kiev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kiev.md), sperm freezing, [casualties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/casualties.md), ukrainian army, [france 24](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france-24.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Sean Penn Ukraine Advocacy, F-16 Fighter Jets (43:01–46:51)

Actor Sean Penn appeared on CNN to advocate for sending F-16 fighter jets and long-range precision weapons to Ukraine. Penn described the impact of President Biden's trip to Kiev and relayed conversations with Ukrainian intelligence officers. The hosts criticize Penn as a "warmonger" who has been indoctrinated by the military-industrial complex.

Keywords: [sean penn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-penn.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [f-16](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/f-16.md), [volodymyr zelensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volodymyr-zelensky.md), [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), [boeing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boeing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Jens Stoltenberg and Sanna Marin, NATO Membership (46:54–49:29)

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin held a joint press conference affirming that Ukraine's future lies within the alliance. Marin repeatedly emphasized the need for "heavy weapons" and continued support "as long as it takes." The hosts mock Marin's repetitive talking points and her alignment with the broader NATO narrative.

Keywords: [jens stoltenberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jens-stoltenberg.md), [sanna marin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanna-marin.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [finland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/finland.md), heavy weapons, [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Sergey Lavrov Bio-Lab Claims, Victoria Nuland (49:30–51:41)

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claims the Pentagon is concerned about losing control over biological war labs in Kiev and Odessa. Lavrov asserts that the U.S. has been developing pathogens near the Russian border. The hosts reference previous testimony from Victoria Nuland as partial confirmation that biological research facilities exist in Ukraine.

Keywords: [sergey lavrov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sergey-lavrov.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [bio-labs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bio-labs.md), [kiev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kiev.md), [odessa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/odessa.md), [victoria nuland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-nuland.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Drone Strikes in Russia, Pentagon Weapon Losses (51:41–54:07)

Mysterious drone strikes have been reported deep inside Russian territory, including one within 60 miles of Moscow. Vladimir Putin has ordered the FSB to tighten border security in response. Additionally, the Pentagon has acknowledged that some weapons sent to Ukraine are being lost or captured by Russian forces, leading to concerns about arms proliferation.

Keywords: [moscow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moscow.md), [fsb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fsb.md), [bakhmut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bakhmut.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Lack of Russophobia, ISS Space Cooperation (54:08–58:20)

The hosts observe that despite the conflict, a 1950s-style "Red Scare" has failed to ignite among the American public. They point to the continued cooperation between NASA and Roscosmos, including a recent SpaceX launch carrying a Russian cosmonaut to the International Space Station. The crew members reportedly avoid discussing politics to maintain their working relationship in space.

Keywords: russophobia, [red scare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-scare.md), [iss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iss.md), [spacex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md), [putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/putin.md), [nasa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Stu Peters Body Double Theory, Maxim Donetsk (58:20–1:02:28)

France 24's "Truth or Fake" segment deconstructs a theory promoted by influencer Stu Peters regarding a body double for Volodymyr Zelensky. The "double" was identified as Maxim Donetsk, Zelensky's official bodyguard, who shares a similar build but has distinct facial features. The hosts discuss the prevalence of such theories on Telegram and the history of CIA disguise technology.

Keywords: [stu peters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stu-peters.md), [volodymyr zelensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volodymyr-zelensky.md), [body double](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/body-double.md), maxim donetsk, [france 24](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france-24.md), [telegram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telegram.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Ukraine Building Reconstruction, Kiev Gazette (1:02:28–1:04:49)

A controversy involving photos of rebuilt buildings in Ukraine has led some to claim the war is staged. France 24 reports that reconstruction has been ongoing in Kiev since Russian troops withdrew last March, documented by local media like "The Village." The hosts find the rapid reconstruction peculiar and suggest it may involve significant payouts to contractors.

Keywords: [kiev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kiev.md), [reconstruction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reconstruction.md), the village, war hoax, [contractors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/contractors.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Douglas MacGregor, Global Financial Community War Motives (1:04:50–1:10:10)

Colonel Douglas MacGregor argues that the war in Ukraine is driven by the global financial community and allies in London seeking to dismember the Russian state. MacGregor claims that Western interests, including Goldman Sachs, attempted to exploit Russia's vast mineral and energy resources in the 1990s before being expelled by Vladimir Putin. The hosts express skepticism toward MacGregor's "trope-heavy" rhetoric.

Keywords: [douglas macgregor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/douglas-macgregor.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [wall street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street.md), [putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/putin.md), [resources](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resources.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Supreme Court Student Loan Hearing, Amy Coney Barrett (1:10:11–1:14:51)

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments regarding President Biden's plan to forgive student loan debt for 40 million Americans. Conservative justices, including John Roberts, expressed skepticism about the executive branch's authority to bypass Congress on such a massive expenditure. The hosts discuss Justice Amy Coney Barrett's performance and the potential for the plan to encourage further tuition hikes.

Keywords: [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [student loans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-loans.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [amy coney barrett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amy-coney-barrett.md), [john roberts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-roberts.md), [debt forgiveness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-forgiveness.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Randi Weingarten Student Debt Outrage (1:14:52–1:16:56)

Teachers union head Randi Weingarten expressed outrage over the legal challenges to student debt relief, comparing the situation to pandemic-era aid for small and big businesses. Weingarten argues that it is unfair to block relief for students while corporations received government help. The hosts suggest the teachers union has a vested interest in the plan as it supports the university system.

Keywords: randi weingarten, [teachers union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/teachers-union.md), [student loans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-loans.md), [ppp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ppp.md), [democrat party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democrat-party.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Project Veritas Boardroom Coup, Viva Frei and Robert Barnes (1:16:57–1:19:03)

The hosts discuss the recent leadership changes at Project Veritas and the departure of James O'Keefe. They critique a podcast by Viva Frei and Robert Barnes, noting that while the duo mentioned "No Agenda," they seemed unfamiliar with the show's specific reporting on the Veritas boardroom situation. The hosts dismiss the "boardroom coup" narrative as a distraction.

Keywords: [project veritas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/project-veritas.md), [james o'keefe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-o-keefe.md), [viva frei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viva-frei.md), [robert barnes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-barnes.md), [rumble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rumble.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Insurance Company Data Sharing, Medical Privacy Collusion (1:19:04–1:23:53)

Attorney Robert Barnes claims that insurance companies are secretly sharing private medical information to fix prices and deny coverage. One of the hosts recounts a personal anecdote from a traffic school in Oakland where an instructor was arrested after detailing the dirty tricks and shared databases used by auto insurance companies. The story highlights systemic collusion within the insurance industry.

Keywords: [insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance.md), [medical data](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-data.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [oakland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oakland.md), [traffic school](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/traffic-school.md), [collusion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/collusion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/25.md)

### 26. White Castle Fingerprint Lawsuit, Illinois Supreme Court (1:23:56–1:27:14)

The Illinois Supreme Court ruled that White Castle violated privacy laws by requiring employees to provide fingerprints for paychecks without consent and sharing that data with third parties. The court established that each instance of fingerprinting constitutes a separate violation, potentially leading to a massive settlement. The hosts question the necessity of fingerprinting fast-food employees.

Keywords: [white castle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-castle.md), [fingerprints](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fingerprints.md), illinois supreme court, [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [biometrics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biometrics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Havana Syndrome Investigation, Directed Energy Weapons (1:27:15–1:29:48)

A multi-year investigation by five U.S. agencies concluded that it is "very unlikely" a foreign adversary is responsible for Havana Syndrome. Catherine Herridge reports that the symptoms, which include dizziness and cognitive impairment, may be due to pre-existing conditions or environmental factors. The hosts suggest the symptoms could be the result of domestic testing or internal agency conflicts.

Keywords: [havana syndrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/havana-syndrome.md), [catherine herridge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/catherine-herridge.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [directed energy weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/directed-energy-weapons.md), neurological symptoms

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Intelligence Agency Conflict, FBI International Show (1:29:49–1:35:19)

NPR reports that many diplomats and intelligence officers are disappointed by the findings on Havana Syndrome, remaining convinced they were attacked by energy weapons. The hosts speculate on a "knockout brawl" between the FBI and CIA, noting the FBI's recent focus on the COVID lab leak. They also discuss the TV show "FBI International" as a tool to normalize the FBI's overseas operations.

Keywords: [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [mark zaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zaid.md), havana act, fbi international, [dick wolf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dick-wolf.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Havana Syndrome Environmental Theories, Agency Infighting (1:35:20–1:40:32)

Intelligence officials suggested that some Havana Syndrome cases might be linked to faulty air conditioning or heating systems causing pressure changes. The report noted that high-level aides to Kamala Harris were among those affected. The hosts argue that the varying levels of confidence among the 17 intelligence agencies point to significant behind-the-scenes infighting and a lack of transparency.

Keywords: [havana syndrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/havana-syndrome.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [ned price](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ned-price.md), [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [air conditioning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-conditioning.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Podcast Listening Speeds, Mental Health Impact (1:40:33–1:44:45)

The hosts advocate for listening to podcasts at 1.0 speed, arguing that high-speed listening causes anxiety and makes people impatient in real-life interactions. They share listener feedback from individuals who felt more calm after switching back to normal speed. The discussion touches on how poorly produced podcasts drive users to increase playback speed to save time.

Keywords: [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), 1.0 speed, [anxiety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anxiety.md), [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md), [communication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communication.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Shake Shack White Truffle Menu, CNBC Native Ad (1:44:45–1:46:35)

CNBC featured a segment on Shake Shack's new limited-edition "fine dining inspired" white truffle menu. The hosts criticize the segment as a "native ad" rather than actual financial news. They express skepticism about the quality and authenticity of the truffle sauce used in a fast-food setting, noting the high cost of real white truffles.

Keywords: [shake shack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shake-shack.md), [cnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnbc.md), white truffle, [fast food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fast-food.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Kamala Harris ACP PSA, Internet.gov Error (1:46:37–1:49:09)

Vice President Kamala Harris issued a public service announcement for the Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP), which provides $65 billion for high-speed internet access. However, Harris repeatedly directed listeners to "internet.gov," a non-existent site, instead of the correct "getinternet.gov." The hosts highlight the error and discuss the program's benefits for major ISPs like Comcast and AT&T.

Keywords: [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), acp, affordable connectivity program, internet.gov, [broadband](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadband.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Scott Adams Cancellation, Dilbert ESG Cartoons (1:49:10–1:56:34)

Cartoonist Scott Adams faced widespread cancellation after making inflammatory comments about race on his YouTube show. The hosts review a critique by Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, who labeled Adams a "racist" and an "asshole." Adams reportedly claims he is playing a "long game" to expose media bias, though the hosts doubt he can maintain his influence on platforms like Rumble and Locals.

Keywords: [scott adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), [dilbert](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dilbert.md), [esg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/esg.md), [kara swisher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kara-swisher.md), [scott galloway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-galloway.md), [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Hearst Corporation Woke Policies, Scott Adams Agent (1:56:34–1:59:30)

The San Francisco Chronicle and other Hearst-owned papers dropped the Dilbert comic strip, citing Adams' "right-wing conspiracy" content and controversial ESG-themed cartoons. Adams' agent also terminated their relationship following the backlash. The hosts discuss the corporate pressure on agents to drop controversial clients and the shift in editorial standards at major newspaper chains.

Keywords: [hearst corporation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hearst-corporation.md), [san francisco chronicle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco-chronicle.md), [scott adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), [cartoons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cartoons.md), [agents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agents.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Rochelle Walensky CDC Testimony, Pediatric Vaccine Schedule (1:59:29–2:01:29)

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky testified that the COVID-19 vaccine was added to the pediatric schedule primarily to ensure coverage under the "Vaccines for Children" program for uninsured youth. Critics, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr., argue the move was intended to secure permanent liability protection for manufacturers. Walensky cited 2,000 pediatric deaths as justification for the recommendation.

Keywords: [rochelle walensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rochelle-walensky.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [pediatric vaccines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pediatric-vaccines.md), [jama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jama.md), [liability](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/liability.md), [insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Cannabis Cardiovascular Risk Study, Erythritol Heart Concerns (2:01:30–2:03:57)

New data presented at the American College of Cardiology suggests that daily cannabis use increases the risk of coronary artery disease by 34%. Separately, the Cleveland Clinic issued a warning about the sugar substitute erythritol, linking high blood levels of the sweetener to increased risks of heart attack and stroke. The hosts question if these studies are "hit jobs" by competing industries.

Keywords: [cannabis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cannabis.md), [cardiovascular disease](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cardiovascular-disease.md), erythritol, sweetener, [heart attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heart-attack.md), [cleveland clinic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cleveland-clinic.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Microdosing Mushrooms Trend, Postpartum Mood Disorders (2:03:57–2:09:57)

Dr. Jen Ashton reports on the growing trend of "moms" microdosing psilocybin mushrooms to manage anxiety and postpartum depression. The hosts suggest this trend is being framed to eventually lead people back to pharmaceutical antidepressants. They also note the rise of expensive, supervised psychedelic retreats in the Caribbean for affluent users seeking Ayahuasca or psilocybin experiences.

Keywords: [microdosing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microdosing.md), [psilocybin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psilocybin.md), [mushrooms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mushrooms.md), [dr. jen ashton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-jen-ashton.md), [antidepressants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antidepressants.md), ayahuasca

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/37.md)

### 38. No Agenda Social, Mastodon Resource Management (2:10:00–2:14:34)

The hosts discuss the current state of the No Agenda Social community on Mastodon, noting that some users have become "unhinged." They emphasize the importance of using the block and mute functions rather than engaging in conflict. Technical challenges regarding disk space and bandwidth are mentioned, with a call for users to be mindful of the resources required to run the instance.

Keywords: [no agenda social](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-social.md), [mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md), aaron, dms, [blocking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blocking.md), [bandwidth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bandwidth.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Episode 1533 Art Review, Podcast App Visibility (2:14:36–2:19:47)

The hosts review the listener-submitted artwork for episode 1533, titled "Rage Bait." The winning piece by "Correct-A-Record" featured a girl holding a sign against 15-minute cities and 1.5-speed podcasts. They provide feedback to artists about making designs more readable on small smartphone screens, noting that intricate details are often lost in podcast apps.

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [15-minute cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/15-minute-cities.md), correct-a-record, [podcast apps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-apps.md), [graphic design](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/graphic-design.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Executive Producer Donations, Knighting Ceremony (2:19:47–2:26:08)

A series of high-value donations are acknowledged, including a $1,000 contribution from Sir Otaku of Flower Mound, Texas. Several producers are knighted or named Dames, including Sir Enion, Sir JK in Green Bay, and Sir Lee. The hosts discuss the "value for value" model and the importance of producer support in keeping the show independent and ad-free.

Keywords: [sir otaku](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-otaku.md), [knight](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knight.md), [dame](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dame.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [flower mound](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flower-mound.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Birthday Donations, Moving to Europe (2:26:09–2:30:47)

Producers celebrate birthdays and life milestones with donations. Lindsay from Ontario, Oregon, donated $333 for a 33rd birthday, while Dame Jennifer of Northern Mexico contributed in honor of her son's birthday. One producer mentioned selling everything to move to Europe, prompting the hosts to ask for more details on the destination and the reasoning behind the move.

Keywords: [ontario](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ontario.md), [oregon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oregon.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [moving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moving.md), [europe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europe.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Earthship in the Ozarks, Delta-8 Disclaimer (2:30:47–2:34:56)

Sir Addison discusses his plan to move into an "Earthship" on 40 acres in the Ozarks. The hosts also acknowledge a "make good" donation from Kiki of the Dakotas, who offered Carolina Reaper salsa to the roundtable. A disclaimer is jokingly added regarding Delta-8 products and potential heart risks following the earlier discussion on cannabis studies.

Keywords: earthship, [ozarks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ozarks.md), delta-8, kiki of the dakotas, reaper salsa, [cbd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbd.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Flight Simulator Experience, Navy T-45 Jet (2:34:56–2:38:11)

One of the hosts describes a recent experience flying a Navy T-45 jet simulator at the Naval Air Base in Corpus Christi. The high-tech simulator featured a 270-degree screen and realistic cockpit feedback. Despite being a licensed pilot, the host struggled to land on a virtual aircraft carrier, highlighting the difficulty of naval aviation.

Keywords: [navy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/navy.md), [flight simulator](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flight-simulator.md), t-45, [corpus christi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corpus-christi.md), [nasa ames](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa-ames.md), [aircraft carrier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aircraft-carrier.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Associate Executive Producers, Final Donation List (2:38:11–2:45:37)

The final list of associate executive producers and donors for episode 1534 is read. The hosts thank the community for their continued support over 15 years, noting that these credits are recognized on platforms like IMDb. They reiterate that the show remains free of "creepy commercial money" thanks to the direct contributions of the "No Agenda" producers.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [associate executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/associate-executive-producers.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credits.md), [imdb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imdb.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/44.md)

### 45. No Agenda Meetups, Producer Database Website (2:45:37–2:50:56)

The hosts promote upcoming No Agenda meetups in Nashville, Denver, Anchorage, and the Netherlands. They also highlight a new producer-created website, NAPDB.com, which serves as an extensive database of show credits, titles, and artwork history. The segment emphasizes the strength of the producer community and the "connection is protection" mantra.

Keywords: [no agenda meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-meetups.md), napdb.com, [nashville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nashville.md), [denver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denver.md), [anchorage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anchorage.md), [community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/45.md)

### 46. End of Show ISOs, AI Voice Deepfakes (2:50:56–2:55:10)

The hosts select the "In Search Of" (ISO) clips for the end of the show, including a Keith Olbermann "crazy pills" clip. They experiment with an AI voice test, comparing a politician's voice to artificial generation. The discussion concludes with thoughts on the improving quality of deepfakes and the challenge of distinguishing human speech from AI in the future.

Keywords: [deepfakes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deepfakes.md), [ai voices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai-voices.md), [keith olbermann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-olbermann.md), [desantis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/desantis.md), [radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radio.md), [technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Train Derailment Trends, AOC Presidency Prediction (2:55:11–2:59:42)

The show concludes with a look at recent train derailments in Florida and Greece, noting that the U.S. sees over a thousand derailments annually. The hosts also revisit a past prediction regarding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) potentially becoming president, with one host searching for a specific clip to settle a dispute about his past comments on her effectiveness.

Keywords: [train derailment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/train-derailment.md), [norfolk southern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norfolk-southern.md), [aoc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aoc.md), [alexandria ocasio-cortez](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexandria-ocasio-cortez.md), [greece](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greece.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Outro, East Palestine Ohio Song (2:59:47–3:04:36)

The episode closes with a satirical song about the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, and the subsequent visits by Pete Buttigieg and Donald Trump. The lyrics touch on toxic chemicals, dioxin smoke, and the political fallout of the disaster. The hosts sign off with their traditional "adios mofos" and "hooey hooey" as the music plays out.

Keywords: [east palestine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/east-palestine.md), [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md), [pete buttigieg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pete-buttigieg.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), dioxin, [vinyl chloride](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vinyl-chloride.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1534-the-chit/chapter/48.md)

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