# Turkeys Going Rogue > Leaked climate data and corporate-branded environmentalism collide with a proposed trillion-dollar war tax and the suspicious disappearance of physical gold from global banking vaults. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 151 - **Published:** 2009-11-26 - **Length:** 1h 50m - **Topics:** [Climategate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climategate.md), [Hopenhagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hopenhagen.md), War Tax, Gold Scams, [Sarah Palin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-palin.md), Biometric IDs, [Core Audio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/core-audio.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue ## About this episode The Copenhagen climate summit and the Climategate email leak take center stage as leaked data from the University of East Anglia suggests scientists manipulated global temperature records to hide a cooling trend. This revelation coincides with the launch of Hopenhagen.org, a corporate-backed branding campaign by Ogilvy New York designed to manufacture consent for a global carbon tax. While the British medical journal The Lancet attempts to reframe CO2 reduction as a public health necessity, the underlying agenda points toward a centralized global government framework supported by major corporate partners like Coca-Cola and BMW. In Australia, Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull faces internal party revolt for supporting Kevin Rudd’s emissions trading scheme, mirroring the legislative friction seen in the United States. Congressman David Obey has introduced the Share the Sacrifice Act to fund the Afghanistan war through a new national tax, even as former CIA agent Robert Baer warns the conflict has devolved into a war of national resistance. Meanwhile, HSBC is reportedly clearing physical gold from its vaults amid rumors of tungsten-filled bars in the global supply chain, and the Obama administration prepares to renew controversial provisions of the Patriot Act and FISA. Sarah Palin’s memoir Going Rogue sparks a debate on media-driven character assassination and the modern phenomenon of virtual book burning. The episode also highlights the intricate feather sculptures of Jennifer Ivory at InsectWorks and the technical fallout from Apple’s Core Audio updates, which disrupted professional audio routing to satisfy industry DRM requirements. From Bulgarian scientists claiming alien contact to the suspicious suicide of a Kentucky census worker, the reality of the 2009 landscape is stranger than the reptilian plotlines of the television series V. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/transcript.md. ### 1. Apple Core Audio Update, DRM and Copyright Issues (0:01–5:06) The podcast begins with a discussion regarding technical delays caused by a recent Apple system update that altered Core Audio drivers. This update reportedly disrupted configurations for Jackpilot and other professional audio routing software. The changes are attributed to Apple's digital rights management (DRM) agreements with the music industry, which aim to prevent high-sample-rate audio hijacking. Companies like Rogue Amoeba have faced challenges on Apple platforms due to these restrictive low-level system modifications. Keywords: [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [core audio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/core-audio.md), jackpilot, [drm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drm.md), [rogue amoeba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rogue-amoeba.md), [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Climategate Email Leak, Copenhagen Summit, Global Government (5:08–10:56) A significant portion of the discussion focuses on "Climategate," involving leaked emails and data from a major climate research center. These documents allegedly show scientists manipulating data to "hide the decline" in global temperatures. The leak coincides with the upcoming Copenhagen climate summit and the push for cap and trade legislation. Critics argue these initiatives are a move toward global government and a tax-based scam centered on CO2 emissions, despite resistance from nations like China and India. Keywords: [climategate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climategate.md), [copenhagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copenhagen.md), [ipcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipcc.md), [cap and trade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cap-and-trade.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/2.md) ### 3. The Lancet Study, Health Impacts, CO2 vs Pollutants (10:55–17:05) The British medical journal The Lancet released studies suggesting that cutting carbon emissions could save millions of lives by reducing heart and lung diseases. Critics argue that the study conflates CO2 with actual pollutants like soot (black carbon), ozone, and methane to shift the climate debate toward public health. While the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences supports these findings, skeptics maintain that CO2 is a natural necessity for plant life and that the health-centric narrative is a tactic to salvage the cap and trade agenda. Keywords: [the lancet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-lancet.md), [nih](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nih.md), black carbon, ozone, [methane](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/methane.md), [co2](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/co2.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Hopenhagen.org PR Campaign, Ogilvy, Corporate Partners (17:06–26:50) An investigation into the website Hopenhagen.org reveals it is registered to the major PR agency Ogilvy New York rather than a grassroots environmental group. The site features numerous corporate partners and media outlets, including Coca-Cola, BMW, and The Huffington Post, which is sending a "citizen journalist" to the COP15 summit. This branding effort is characterized as a "client stroke" by the advertising industry to create a sense of urgency around a global climate deal. Keywords: [hopenhagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hopenhagen.md), [ogilvy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ogilvy.md), [huffington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huffington-post.md), [coca-cola](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coca-cola.md), [cop15](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cop15.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Executive Producer Michael Menzies, Black Friday Predictions (26:51–28:59) Michael Menzies from Australia is recognized as the sole executive producer for the week following a $300 donation. The conversation shifts to Black Friday, referencing a previous prediction regarding potential casualties during the shopping rush. While one host predicts zero deaths due to increased mall security and early opening times, the other suggests a small number of fatalities may occur due to crowd surges at major retail sales. Keywords: michael menzies, [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [black friday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-friday.md), [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Australian Emissions Trading, Kyoto Protocol, Presidential Frameworks (28:59–33:16) **category:** news_update | **confidence:** 9 | **keywords:** malcolm turnbull, kevin rudd, australia, kyoto protocol, barack obama In Australia, Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull has signaled support for the Rudd government's emissions trading scheme despite internal party dissent. The discussion compares current climate negotiations to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, noting that President Bill Clinton never sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification. It is suggested that President Obama may follow a similar path by agreeing to a framework in Copenhagen that lacks the binding power of a formal treaty to avoid economic damage. [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Afghanistan War Tax, Share the Sacrifice Act, Military Contractors (33:16–42:24) Congressman David Obey has introduced HR 4130, titled the "Share the Sacrifice Act of 2010," which proposes a new tax to fund the ongoing war in Afghanistan. This "war tax" would apply to most citizens except active military members, potentially raising $1 trillion over ten years. Critics highlight the irony of the tax given President Obama's campaign promises to end the war, while also noting that a significant portion of war funding benefits private military contractors rather than troops. Keywords: [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), congressman obey, hr 4130, [military contractors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-contractors.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Sarah Palin's Going Rogue, Media Assassination, Political Zombies (42:25–51:46) A personal anecdote about reading Sarah Palin's book, "Going Rogue," leads to a discussion on political tribalism and media bias. The book details Palin's frustrations with the 2008 campaign management and her "assassination" by mainstream media outlets like CBS during the Katie Couric interviews. The hosts argue that voters often reject information out of hand without reading the source material, comparing the refusal to read certain books to "virtual book burning." Keywords: [sarah palin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-palin.md), [going rogue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/going-rogue.md), [katie couric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/katie-couric.md), [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Listener Donations, Omega Tau Podcast, InsectWorks Art (51:47–58:45) The hosts acknowledge various donations from listeners across the globe, including contributions from Germany, Canada, and the United States. Specific mentions include the Omega Tau podcast and Jennifer Ivory's art at InsectWorks.com, which features intricate sculptures of insects made from feathers. A listener's note about canceling an Audible subscription in favor of a No Agenda donation is highlighted as a model for supporting the show's value-for-value system. Keywords: omega tau, insectworks, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), [audible](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audible.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Thanksgiving Origins, Abraham Lincoln, Divorce Costs (58:46–1:03:03) The traditional narrative of Thanksgiving involving pilgrims and Native Americans is dismissed as a "mercantile scam." The holiday was officially codified by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War as a day of thanks for the health of soldiers. One host mentions the personal financial strain of an ongoing divorce and the need for increased listener donations to sustain the show's research-heavy format. Keywords: [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), [abraham lincoln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abraham-lincoln.md), [civil war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-war.md), [pilgrims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilgrims.md), [divorce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/divorce.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Dutch Identity Cards, Fingerprinting Protests, UK DNA Database (1:03:04–1:08:14) In the Netherlands, a group called Het Nieuwe Rijk launched a parody campaign protesting new mandatory biometric identity cards by suggesting citizens tattoo their ID numbers on their arms. Meanwhile, in the United Kingdom, reports indicate that a vast DNA database is being built through arbitrary arrests, with a high percentage of young black men already in the system. The discussion touches on the increasing use of surveillance cameras and biometric tracking across Europe. Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), identity cards, [fingerprints](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fingerprints.md), [dna database](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna-database.md), [uk police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk-police.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Obama as Gun Salesman, Afghanistan National Resistance, War on Terror (1:08:14–1:15:37) President Obama has been named "Gun Salesman of the Year" by outdoor media due to record-breaking firearm sales driven by fears of new regulations. Regarding foreign policy, former CIA agent Robert Baer and official Matthew Ho suggest the conflict in Afghanistan is a war of national resistance against foreign occupiers rather than a fight against global terrorism. They argue that the Afghan National Army is seen as an occupying force in rural areas, fueling a civil war that has persisted since the 1970s. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), robert baer, [taliban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taliban.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Jane Harman Constituent Meeting, Domestic Torture Claims (1:15:38–1:19:35) A clip from a constituent meeting with Representative Jane Harman features a woman, Li Yang, speaking about domestic torture, racial profiling, and FBI misconduct. Though her delivery is unconventional, the hosts suggest her concerns about the government seizing property and targeting citizens reflect a deeper reality of civil liberties being eroded. The segment highlights the type of raw public testimony often found on C-SPAN. Keywords: [jane harman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jane-harman.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [racial profiling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racial-profiling.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Ireland National Strike, Kentucky Census Worker, Patriot Act Renewal (1:19:35–1:24:38) Public service workers in Ireland are staging a massive national strike over proposed pay cuts following the Lisbon Treaty. In the United States, the death of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman, found with "FED" written on his chest, was ruled a suicide by federal investigators despite suspicious circumstances. Additionally, the Obama administration is reportedly moving to renew key provisions of the Patriot Act and FISA, which critics argue infringe on basic constitutional freedoms. Keywords: [ireland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ireland.md), bill sparkman, [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [fisa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/14.md) ### 15. HSBC Gold Vaults, Tungsten Scams, WikiLeaks 9/11 Pager Data (1:24:39–1:27:57) HSBC has reportedly instructed retail clients to remove physical gold from its vaults, a move described as unprecedented by industry experts. This occurs amid rumors of "lumpy" gold bars in Canada and China that were allegedly found to be tungsten-filled. Separately, WikiLeaks has released a massive archive of pager messages from September 11, 2001, though initial reviews suggest the data consists mostly of personal messages and system administrator alerts. Keywords: [hsbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsbc.md), [gold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold.md), [tungsten](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tungsten.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Health Care Bill, Young Uninsured Penalties, Small Business Impact (1:27:57–1:31:27) A Republican Senator from Maine argues that the proposed health care bill will drive up costs for young people, who may choose to pay a $750 fine rather than $5,000 for insurance. This "adverse selection" could destabilize the insurance pool. From a small business perspective, it is suggested that companies may find it cheaper to pay a 4% tax and move employees to a government public option rather than providing private coverage. Keywords: [health care reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-care-reform.md), naic, [insurance premiums](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance-premiums.md), [small business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business.md), [public option](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-option.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Washington Post Financial Troubles, Bank Capital Shortages, Dollar Decline (1:31:27–1:36:19) The Washington Post is facing severe financial difficulties, leading to office closures as readers migrate away from traditional media. Meanwhile, Standard & Poor's warns that major global banks lack sufficient capital to cover investment exposure. The decline of the U.S. dollar is cited as the primary driver for rising stock and gold prices, while bank executives are criticized for taking large bonuses before a potential economic shift. Keywords: [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), [rupert murdoch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rupert-murdoch.md), s&p, [timothy geithner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/timothy-geithner.md), [inflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inflation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Bulgarian Space Research, Alien Contact, Ascension Theory (1:36:19–1:39:44) The Bulgarian Space Research Institute claims to be deciphering symbols from aliens who are reportedly answering 30 questions posed by scientists. The institute's director suggests that aliens are all around us but are waiting for humanity to "grow enough" for direct contact. This leads to a discussion on "Ascension Theory," which involves raising one's spiritual vibrations to perceive a reality beyond the "Matrix" of mainstream media and government control. Keywords: [bulgaria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bulgaria.md), [aliens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aliens.md), [crop circles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crop-circles.md), [the telegraph](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-telegraph.md), ascension theory [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/18.md) ### 19. V Television Series, Reptilian Aliens, Mind Control Ridicule (1:39:45–1:43:33) The remake of the television series "V" features a plotline where aliens hide deadly substances in flu vaccines. The hosts theorize that Disney/ABC produces such content to ridicule real-world concerns about vaccine safety and "reptilian" theories popularized by figures like David Icke. By turning these concepts into science fiction, the media allegedly conditions the public to dismiss them as jokes rather than investigating potential truths. Keywords: v, [abc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc.md), [disney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disney.md), [david icke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-icke.md), [flu vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flu-vaccine.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/19.md) ### 20. GlaxoSmithKline Vaccine Recall, Heroin Trade, Show Sign-off (1:43:35–1:49:57) GlaxoSmithKline advised Canadian health officials to stop using a specific batch of swine flu vaccines due to reports of life-threatening allergic reactions. The discussion notes that vaccine manufacturers are largely exempt from liability for such injuries. The show concludes with a cynical look at the lack of vaccines for heroin addiction compared to other substances, linking it to the Afghan drug trade, before the hosts sign off for the Thanksgiving holiday. Keywords: [glaxo-smith-kline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glaxo-smith-kline.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [swine flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/swine-flu.md), [heroin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heroin.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/151-turkeys-going-rogue/chapter/20.md) - [Previous episode](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/150-global-warming-denialism.md) - [Next episode](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/152-attack-of-the-icebergs.md) --- This is the markdown version of a page on The No Agenda Show for AI agents. 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