# GuangoCast

> Shifting mortality models and a heated debate over hydroxychloroquine efficacy take center stage as global leaders weigh the economic cost of indefinite lockdowns.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1232
- **Published:** 2020-04-12
- **Length:** 3h 19m
- **Topics:** IHME Models, [Hydroxychloroquine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hydroxychloroquine.md), COBOL Cowboys, [Bill Gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), USS Roosevelt, Digital Passports
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast

## About this episode

The White House Coronavirus Task Force significantly revised its mortality projections downward this week as President Donald Trump and Dr. Deborah Birx credited mitigation efforts for the shift. While initial models from the Bill Gates-backed IHME predicted up to 2.2 million deaths, current estimates have dropped toward 60,000, sparking a debate over the validity of the original data. Dr. Birx confirmed that federal protocol now records any death of a COVID-positive individual as a virus fatality regardless of pre-existing conditions, leading to claims of inflated mortality rates.

Political and medical tensions escalated as Peter Navarro challenged Dr. Anthony Fauci over the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, citing positive anecdotal evidence from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Michigan Representative Karen Whitsett. Meanwhile, Dr. Zeke Emanuel and Bill Gates signaled that a return to normalcy remains impossible without a global vaccine mandate, a path critics argue favors pharmaceutical profits over existing treatments. Global reports from Colombia, Italy, and France reveal the economic toll of lockdowns, while domestic issues like the COBOL-driven failure of unemployment systems in New Jersey and Wells Fargo's handling of the Payroll Protection Program highlight infrastructure vulnerabilities.

In a lighter turn, the CDC parody line warns callers of high-risk status due to physical attributes, and the hosts mock the technical difficulties of Joe Biden’s basement broadcasts. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak also examine the curious rise in Kraft Macaroni & Cheese consumption and the lack of immune-health guidance from Surgeon General Jerome Adams. The episode concludes with the knighting of Sir Daddy-O and a look at the gender-based movement restrictions currently being enforced in Peru and Panama.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/transcript.md.

### 1. Six-foot Society, Global Social Distancing Discrepancies (0:00–1:30)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 1232 from Austin, Texas, and Northern Silicon Valley. They discuss the "Six-foot Society" and the inconsistencies in global social distancing standards. Curry notes that Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has implemented a 1.5-meter rule, which is less than the six-foot standard used in the United States.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), [mark rutte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-rutte.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/1.md)

### 2. COVID-19 Mortality Models, White House Data Revisions (1:32–5:24)

The hosts critique the shifting data models used by the White House Coronavirus Task Force, noting that initial predictions of 2 million deaths have been revised down to 60,000. Donald Trump is seen responding to CNN's Jim Acosta regarding these downward revisions. The discussion highlights the influence of the Bill Gates-backed IHME model on national policy.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), [dr. birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-birx.md), [ihme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ihme.md), [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [jim acosta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jim-acosta.md), [mortality rates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mortality-rates.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Dr. Birx on Model Validation, Behavioral Change Impacts (5:24–9:45)

Dr. Deborah Birx explains that the current range of mortality projections results from "models of models" and comparisons with Italy and Spain. She attributes the declining numbers to the extraordinary behavioral changes and mitigation efforts of the American people. The hosts express skepticism, suggesting the models themselves were fundamentally flawed from the beginning.

Keywords: [dr. birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-birx.md), [ihme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ihme.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), [mitigation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitigation.md), [respiratory disease](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/respiratory-disease.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/3.md)

### 4. COVID-19 Death Coding, Pre-existing Condition Statistics (9:45–11:58)

Dr. Birx admits that the current protocol in the United States is to record any death of an individual with a COVID-19 infection as a COVID-19 death, regardless of pre-existing conditions. The hosts argue this practice skews data by including deaths caused by heart or kidney issues. They cite reports from hospital specialists claiming that coding practices are intentionally inflating the mortality rate.

Keywords: [dr. birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-birx.md), [death certificates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/death-certificates.md), [comorbidity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comorbidity.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md), [testing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/testing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Chris Murray, IHME Model Assumptions and Social Distancing (11:58–15:47)

Chris Murray of the IHME explains on CNN that his model's numbers are dropping because hospitals are admitting fewer people and using fewer ventilators than expected. He emphasizes that his projection of 60,000 deaths assumes social distancing remains in place through the first week of June. Bill Gates appears in a clip praising Dr. Fauci and the utility of these models for public awareness.

Keywords: chris murray, [ihme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ihme.md), [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md), [ventilators](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ventilators.md), [icu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/icu.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Global Health Connections, Trump's Shutdown Decision (15:50–18:10)

The hosts trace connections between the World Health Organization, the Gates Foundation, and task force members like Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx. Donald Trump describes the moment "two very smart people" entered his office and presented the 2.2 million death projection, which led to the decision to close the country. Trump frames the lower actual numbers as a success of his administration's management.

Keywords: [bill & melinda gates foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-melinda-gates-foundation.md), [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), [dr. birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-birx.md), [niaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/niaid.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Media Warfare, Anderson Cooper's Monologue on Trump (18:12–23:06)

The discussion shifts to the political messaging surrounding the pandemic, with Democrats and media figures claiming Trump acted too late. Anderson Cooper is heard delivering a monologue accusing the President of "hijacking" task force briefings for re-election purposes. Despite the media attacks, the hosts note that Trump's poll numbers remain strong as the public reacts to improving data.

Keywords: [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [impeachment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/impeachment.md), [poll numbers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poll-numbers.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Hydroxychloroquine Efficacy, Michigan Representative Karen Whitsett (23:07–28:09)

Donald Trump promotes the use of hydroxychloroquine, Z-Pak, and zinc, noting the national stockpile has 30 million doses. Michigan State Representative Karen Whitsett credits the drug with saving her life after she saw the President mention it on television. The hosts highlight the irony of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer later requesting the drug after initially banning its use.

Keywords: [hydroxychloroquine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hydroxychloroquine.md), [z-pak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/z-pak.md), [zinc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zinc.md), karen whitsett, [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), [michigan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michigan.md), [gretchen whitmer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gretchen-whitmer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Media Skepticism of Hydroxychloroquine, Governor Cuomo's Stance (28:10–32:14)

Mainstream media outlets and Dr. Fauci express caution regarding the cardiovascular risks of hydroxychloroquine, with some columnists calling it proof Trump is unfit for office. Conversely, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo admits that anecdotal evidence in New York hospitals has been positive. Cuomo announces he is lifting the 14-day limit on the drug as federal supplies increase.

Keywords: [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), gene robinson, [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), [andrew cuomo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-cuomo.md), [new york](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york.md), [clinical trials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clinical-trials.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Peter Navarro vs. Dr. Fauci, Second Opinions on Science (32:15–36:42)

A reported confrontation between Peter Navarro and Dr. Fauci over hydroxychloroquine is discussed. Navarro, a social scientist, defends his right to a "second opinion" based on his ability to read statistical studies. He challenges journalists to ask frontline workers how many are taking the drug as a prophylactic, while the media continues to favor a vaccine-only approach.

Keywords: [peter navarro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-navarro.md), [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), social scientist, prophylactic, medical evidence

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Zeke Emanuel, 18-Month Lockdown and Vaccine Necessity (36:43–40:03)

Dr. Zeke Emanuel argues that the United States cannot return to normal—including concerts, restaurants, and schools—until a vaccine is found. He suggests the public must prepare for a lockdown lasting 18 months to avoid a spike in deaths. The hosts contrast this "expensive" vaccine-focused path with the "cheap" cure of hydroxychloroquine.

Keywords: zeke emuel, [obama administration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obama-administration.md), [vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), sporting events, normal life

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Vaccine Industry Economics, RNA Gene Splicing (40:04–43:21)

The hosts revisit a JPMorgan Chase report highlighting the pharmaceutical industry's shift toward vaccines as a primary profit center. They discuss the legal indemnification of vaccine makers and the experimental nature of RNA vaccines. Curry notes that these new treatments involve gene splicing and have never been proven to work in a traditional sense.

Keywords: [jpmorgan chase](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jpmorgan-chase.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [rna vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rna-vaccine.md), gene splicing, [indemnification](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indemnification.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Harvard School of Public Health, Chinese Investment Influence (43:22–49:50)

The Harvard School of Public Health was renamed the T.H. Chan School of Public Health following a $350 million donation from the Chan family, who have ties to the Chinese Communist Party. The hosts argue this investment allows China to influence global health policy and promote a vaccine-dependent "digital passport" system. They suggest China uses technological dominance and vaccinations to control populations.

Keywords: [harvard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvard.md), th chan, [johns hopkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/johns-hopkins.md), [ccp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ccp.md), gerald chan, morningside, [vaccines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccines.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Phoenix TV Incident, Trump and the China Trade Deal (49:51–55:38)

A reporter from Phoenix TV, a state-owned Chinese outlet, questions President Trump at a briefing, prompting him to ask if she works for China. Trump discusses the status of the $250 billion trade deal signed in January, noting it contains a "force majeure" clause. He expresses hope that President Xi Jinping will honor the agreement regarding agricultural purchases despite the pandemic.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), phoenix tv, [ccp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ccp.md), [trade deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deal.md), [agriculture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agriculture.md), [force majeure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/force-majeure.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Dr. Steve Pieczenik, PLA and Uyghur Dissent Rumors (55:39–59:56)

Dr. Steve Pieczenik suggests to Adam Curry that President Xi may be losing control of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) and internal security services. Pieczenik claims these groups are heavily staffed by individuals from northeastern provinces who are unhappy with the economy. The theory posits that the virus outbreak might have been a "rogue op" intended as an economic hit against the West.

Keywords: [steve pieczenik](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-pieczenik.md), [pla](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pla.md), [ccp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ccp.md), [uyghurs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uyghurs.md), [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), rogue operation, [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/15.md)

### 16. White House Press Corps, Dr. Fauci and John Karl (59:57–1:03:49)

The hosts discuss the credentialing of reporters at White House briefings, noting that ABC's John Karl allegedly bumped an OANN reporter to seat the Phoenix TV journalist. They point to a video of Dr. Fauci winking and giving a "finger pistol" gesture to Karl as evidence of a coordinated effort between the media and health officials to undermine the President.

Keywords: [john karl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-karl.md), [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md), [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), [oann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oann.md), [white house press corps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house-press-corps.md), media plants

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/16.md)

### 17. AIDS Epidemic Parallels, Tom Hanks and Celebrity Messaging (1:03:50–1:08:55)

Parallels are drawn between the current pandemic and the 1980s AIDS crisis, noting that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were key figures in both. The hosts mention Tom Hanks, who starred in the AIDS-themed movie *Philadelphia* and was the first major celebrity to contract COVID-19. They suggest a recurring pattern of using celebrities and fear-based media to drive public health policy.

Keywords: [dr. fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-fauci.md), [dr. birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-birx.md), [azt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/azt.md), [tom hanks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-hanks.md), [philadelphia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philadelphia.md), [magic johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/magic-johnson.md), [aids](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aids.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/17.md)

### 18. One World Concert, Lady Gaga and WHO Fundraising (1:08:56–1:11:25)

Lady Gaga announces the "One World: Together at Home" virtual concert to support healthcare workers and the World Health Organization. The hosts criticize the event's production quality and the WHO's involvement, especially following President Trump's threats to pull U.S. funding from the organization. They also note a similar COVID-19 benefit being organized by the cast of *Frozen*.

Keywords: [lady gaga](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lady-gaga.md), [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [global citizen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-citizen.md), [benefit concert](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benefit-concert.md), [fundraising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fundraising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Celebrity Home Broadcasts, Mac and Cheese Consumption (1:11:25–1:16:58)

The hosts mock the poor audio and video quality of "at-home" broadcasts by celebrities like Ryan Seacrest and Kelly Ripa, suggesting it is a form of "virtue signaling." They discuss the 27% spike in Kraft Macaroni & Cheese sales as people turn to comfort foods. This trend is compared to "depression food" memes from the 2008 financial crisis.

Keywords: [ryan seacrest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ryan-seacrest.md), [kelly ripa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kelly-ripa.md), [kraft heinz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kraft-heinz.md), [mac and cheese](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac-and-cheese.md), [virtue signaling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virtue-signaling.md), [depression food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/depression-food.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Immune Health Neglect, Surgeon General Jerome Adams (1:16:58–1:18:27)

Adam Curry criticizes Surgeon General Jerome Adams for failing to provide advice on boosting the immune system through nutrition and supplements. He argues that staying indoors and eating processed foods like mac and cheese weakens the population. The lack of official guidance on Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, and Vitamin A is described as a major policy failing.

Keywords: [jerome adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerome-adams.md), [surgeon general](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surgeon-general.md), [vitamin d3](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vitamin-d3.md), [vitamin c](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vitamin-c.md), [nutrition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nutrition.md), [immune system](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immune-system.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/20.md)

### 21. COVID-19 Anxiety Survey, New York Times Readers (1:18:28–1:23:10)

A data survey reveals that the highest levels of COVID-19 anxiety are found among college-educated Democratic women in New York and California. The hosts correlate this fear with consumption of *The New York Times*, which they claim is influenced by Chinese interests. In contrast, residents in states like Oklahoma are reported to be much more relaxed about the virus.

Keywords: [anxiety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anxiety.md), [demographics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/demographics.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [oklahoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [south china morning post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-china-morning-post.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/21.md)

### 22. COBOL Programmers, Unemployment System Failures (1:23:11–1:25:40)

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy makes a public plea for COBOL programmers to help fix the state's 40-year-old unemployment insurance systems. The hosts discuss how the entire country's financial and government infrastructure still relies on this legacy language. They joke about "COBOL Cowboys" coming out of retirement to handle the surge in claims.

Keywords: [cobol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cobol.md), [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md), [phil murphy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phil-murphy.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [mainframe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mainframe.md), [legacy systems](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/legacy-systems.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Wells Fargo, Payroll Protection Program Hostage Claims (1:25:40–1:27:21)

A report from a former New York banker claims that Wells Fargo is holding the Payroll Protection Plan (PPP) hostage. The bank is allegedly refusing to process small business loans unless the White House lifts its regulatory asset cap. The hosts characterize this as a form of blackmail against the federal government during a national crisis.

Keywords: [wells fargo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wells-fargo.md), [ppp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ppp.md), [small business administration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business-administration.md), asset cap, [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Small Wiener Prank Call, CDC Parody (1:27:22–1:29:13)

The hosts play a recording of a parody phone call purportedly from the CDC regarding COVID-19 contact tracing. The automated voice informs the listener they are at high risk of death because they have a "tiny wiener." The segment serves as a humorous break from the heavy news cycle.

Keywords: [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [prank call](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prank-call.md), [covid-19](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19.md), [humor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/humor.md), [satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satire.md), [phone scam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phone-scam.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/24.md)

### 25. No Agenda Stream, Artwork and Value for Value (1:29:14–1:34:52)

The hosts thank Darren O'Neill for the episode 1231 artwork titled "Mass QR Raid" and discuss the "Value for Value" model. They review various art submissions, including a Windows 95 vaccine concept and a "Life from Gitmo" theme. They emphasize that the show is supported entirely by listeners rather than traditional advertising.

Keywords: [darren o'neill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darren-o-neill.md), [no agenda stream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-stream.md), [artwork](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/artwork.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md), masquerade

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Executive Producer Donations, De-douching Ceremonies (1:34:53–1:38:37)

Matthew Decker from South Dakota donates $333.33 and requests a "de-douching" for himself and his fiancée, Brittany. He asks about John Dvorak's "blue phone" and requests wedding karma for their June date. The hosts perform the de-douching ritual and discuss the growth of the No Agenda community in the Midwest.

Keywords: matthew decker, [sioux city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sioux-city.md), [iowa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iowa.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [damehood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/damehood.md), blue phone

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Colombia Border Update, Venezuela Refugee Crisis (1:38:38–1:43:10)

Alex E.B. Trap, a producer in Colombia, provides a "boots on the ground" report from the Venezuelan border. He notes an increased U.S. military presence in Cúcuta following a SouthCom announcement. The report describes how Colombian cities are refusing aid to Venezuelan refugees, prompting many to return to Venezuela at the call of Nicolás Maduro.

Keywords: [colombia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colombia.md), [venezuela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/venezuela.md), cucuta, [nicolas maduro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nicolas-maduro.md), [refugees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refugees.md), [southcom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/southcom.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Gyrocopters, Modern Monetary Theory and Immunized Money (1:43:11–1:49:14)

Donald Barthelot from Texas discusses gyrocopters with Adam Curry, leading to a conversation about the safety of auto-gyros. The hosts then pivot to the economics of the $6 trillion stimulus, explaining the concept of "immunized money." They argue that hyperinflation is unlikely because the money is being managed through Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) similar to Japan's economic model.

Keywords: gyrocopters, donald barthelot, [modern monetary theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/modern-monetary-theory.md), [hyperinflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hyperinflation.md), [japan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japan.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Knighting of Sir Daddy-O, Hydroxychloroquine YouTube Bans (1:49:14–1:54:31)

Vince Cornell is knighted as "Sir Daddy-O of the Seven Wonders" following a donation from his brother. The hosts also discuss the censorship of doctors on YouTube who promote hydroxychloroquine cocktails. They recall actor Daniel Day Kim mentioning the treatment early in the outbreak and criticize the media for making the drug controversial.

Keywords: sir daddy-o, [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [hydroxychloroquine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hydroxychloroquine.md), [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md), daniel day kim

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/29.md)

### 30. No Agenda Shop, Mark Levin ISO (1:54:31–1:57:45)

The hosts promote new No Agenda face coverings available at the show's shop, explaining the three-way revenue split between the shop, the artist, and the show. They debut a new "In Search Of" (ISO) audio clip of Mark Levin shouting "I've got no agenda! None!" which they compare to the voice of Gilbert Gottfried.

Keywords: [no agenda shop](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-shop.md), [face masks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/face-masks.md), [mark levin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-levin.md), [gilbert gottfried](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gilbert-gottfried.md), [merchandise](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merchandise.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Admiral Mike Mullen, Captain Crozier and the USS Roosevelt (1:57:46–2:05:20)

Admiral Mike Mullen appears on PBS to discuss the firing of Captain Brett Crozier of the USS Theodore Roosevelt. Mullen criticizes the acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly for relieving Crozier after a memo about a COVID-19 outbreak went public. The hosts argue that Crozier violated the chain of command by leaking sensitive information about troop readiness.

Keywords: [mike mullen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-mullen.md), brett crozier, [uss theodore roosevelt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uss-theodore-roosevelt.md), thomas modly, [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [navy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/navy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Governor Asa Hutchinson, Arkansas Targeted Response (2:05:21–2:12:14)

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson defends his decision not to issue a statewide stay-at-home order during an interview with Judy Woodruff. He argues that his "targeted approach"—closing specific businesses while allowing others to remain open—is successfully flattening the curve. The hosts praise his resistance to federal overreach and media pressure to implement martial law.

Keywords: [asa hutchinson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asa-hutchinson.md), [arkansas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arkansas.md), [judy woodruff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/judy-woodruff.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), [stay-at-home order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stay-at-home-order.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/32.md)

### 33. European Union Finance, Italy Bailout Disagreements (2:12:14–2:19:24)

Finance ministers in the European Union fail to reach an agreement on an economic stimulus package for the Eurozone. Germany and the Netherlands resist bailing out Italy, while Italian politician Matteo Salvini expresses distrust of loans from Brussels. The hosts note that the Euro is approaching parity with the Dollar as the Union faces a potential collapse.

Keywords: [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), matteo salvini, [eurozone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurozone.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/33.md)

### 34. The View, Mayor LaToya Cantrell and Dr. Jill Biden (2:19:25–2:26:08)

The hosts critique a segment from *The View* featuring New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell, noting a control room gaffe where Whoopi Goldberg mispronounces the Mayor's name. Goldberg also suggests that Dr. Jill Biden should be the next Surgeon General. The hosts mock the suggestion, pointing out that Jill Biden's doctorate is in education, not medicine.

Keywords: [the view](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-view.md), [whoopi goldberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whoopi-goldberg.md), latoya cantrell, [new orleans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-orleans.md), [jill biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jill-biden.md), [surgeon general](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surgeon-general.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Tiger King, Joe Exotic Pardon Question (2:26:09–2:29:29)

A reporter asks President Trump if he would consider pardoning Joe Exotic, the star of the Netflix series *Tiger King*. Trump jokes about the question and says he will "take a look." The hosts transition to a discussion on oil prices, noting that spot prices have briefly traded in negative territory due to a lack of storage capacity.

Keywords: [tiger king](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiger-king.md), [joe exotic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-exotic.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [pardon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pardon.md), [netflix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netflix.md), [oil prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-prices.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/35.md)

### 36. US Postal Service, Amazon Delivery and Pensions (2:29:30–2:34:11)

President Trump addresses claims that he is trying to dismantle the U.S. Postal Service by blocking a $25 billion stimulus. He argues the USPS loses money because it delivers packages for Amazon at a loss and is burdened by massive pension pre-funding requirements. He also mentions the high salary of the head of the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA).

Keywords: [usps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usps.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), jerry connolly, [pensions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pensions.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [tennessee valley authority](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tennessee-valley-authority.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Birthday Well-Wishers, International Producer List (2:34:12–2:38:37)

A long list of producers from around the world send in donations to celebrate John C. Dvorak's birthday. Contributors from Berlin, Australia, the Czech Republic, and across North America are acknowledged. The hosts thank the "well-wishers" for their support and note that Berlin is currently "trending" among their donor base.

Keywords: [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [berlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berlin.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [czech republic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/czech-republic.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Nurse Caitlin, Hospital Census and Staff Reductions (2:38:38–2:42:03)

Dame Nurse Caitlin provides an update from a North Carolina hospital, reporting that the patient census is so low that floors are being combined. While no one has been laid off, staff are being told to expect reduced hours. This contradicts media narratives of overwhelmed hospitals, a trend the hosts say they are hearing from healthcare workers nationwide.

Keywords: [nurse caitlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nurse-caitlin.md), [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md), hospital census, [layoffs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/layoffs.md), [frontline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frontline.md), [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Easter Sunday Special, Duke of Luna Title Change (2:42:04–2:46:14)

The hosts announce a special "Easter Sunday COVID Special" and encourage listeners to sign up for the newsletter for details. Sir Kevin McLaughlin is upgraded to the rank of Duke of Luna and Solace. The segment concludes with a formal knighting ceremony for Sir Daddy-O, including the traditional list of "Hookers and Blow" style perks.

Keywords: [easter sunday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/easter-sunday.md), [newsletter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newsletter.md), [duke of luna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/duke-of-luna.md), [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), sir daddy-o, [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Joe Biden, Basement Tapes and Technical Difficulties (2:46:15–2:49:29)

Joe Biden is heard in several clips from his basement studio, where he mistakenly refers to the "pandemic of 17" and "16." He admits to having technical difficulties and relying on his granddaughters to help him get online. The hosts mock his performance and the "Secret Service" protocols he describes for his home.

Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [jill biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jill-biden.md), pandemic of 1917, [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [zoom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zoom.md), basement studio

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Mayor Lori Lightfoot, Racial Disparities in COVID-19 Deaths (2:49:30–2:55:33)

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot reports that 72% of the city's COVID-19 deaths are among Black residents, despite them making up only 30% of the population. An MSNBC guest attributes this to "structural racism" and chronic disinvestment. The hosts question this narrative, suggesting that lifestyle factors and a lack of mask-wearing in certain communities might play a role.

Keywords: [lori lightfoot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lori-lightfoot.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [structural racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/structural-racism.md), [diabetes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diabetes.md), refried beans

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Brazil and North Dakota, Media vs. Leadership (2:55:33–2:57:45)

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro faces political isolation for minimizing the virus and calling for a day of fasting and prayer. The hosts compare this to North Dakota, where the public is reportedly demanding a lockdown that the governor refuses to implement. They argue the media is successfully superseding local political leadership in both regions.

Keywords: [jair bolsonaro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jair-bolsonaro.md), [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [north dakota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-dakota.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), [evangelical](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evangelical.md), [media influence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-influence.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Global Lockdown Reports, France and Colombia (2:57:46–3:01:47)

Reports from Colombia and France describe the economic toll of extended lockdowns. In Colombia, Venezuelan migrants are walking back to their home country due to a lack of work. In France, small business owners express fear of a permanent recession. The hosts suggest these lockdowns favor big-box retailers like Walmart over independent shops, aligning with "Agenda 21" goals.

Keywords: [colombia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colombia.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [paris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris.md), [recession](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recession.md), [small business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business.md), [agenda 21](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agenda-21.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Italy and Peru, Gender-Based Movement Restrictions (3:01:47–3:06:29)

Italy prepares to soften its lockdown restrictions starting May 4th. In Peru and Panama, governments have implemented gender-based movement restrictions, allowing men and women to leave their homes on alternating days. Meanwhile, Iran warns of a "second wave" as citizens return to work following the Nowruz holiday period.

Keywords: [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [tuscany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tuscany.md), [peru](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peru.md), [panama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/panama.md), gender restrictions, [second wave](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-wave.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Joy Behar on Sweden, National Lockdown Demands (3:06:30–3:09:22)

Joy Behar of *The View* calls for a national lockdown in the U.S., claiming Trump is only keeping the country open to protect the stock market. She incorrectly cites South Korea as a country that "shut down completely" and confuses Sweden's political structure. The hosts criticize her lack of understanding regarding the constitutional limits of presidential power.

Keywords: [joy behar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-behar.md), [the view](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-view.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [south korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-korea.md), [north dakota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-dakota.md), [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Bill Gates, Global Vaccine Mandate and Outro (3:09:22–3:19:07)

Bill Gates states that life will not return to "truly normal" until a vaccine is distributed to the entire world. The show concludes with a montage of clips featuring Dr. Fauci, Joe Biden, and various news reports. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak sign off with credits to Fletcher Starkweather and Ronaldo Gonzalez for the end-of-show mixes.

Keywords: [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine.md), [global health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-health.md), [social distancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-distancing.md), fletcher starkweather, [mark levin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-levin.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1232-guangocast/chapter/46.md)

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