# The Clinton Gore Man Hug > A high-stakes diplomatic mission to North Korea masks a media branding exercise while a mysterious mass shooting in Pittsburgh reveals deep ties to global legal power. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 120 - **Published:** 2009-08-09 - **Length:** 1h 36m - **Topics:** [Current TV](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/current-tv.md), K&L Gates, [Blackwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackwater.md), [SEIU](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seiu.md), EMP defense, Sodini shooting - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug ## About this episode Bill Clinton and Al Gore orchestrated a massive public relations stunt in North Korea to secure the release of two Current TV journalists. The mission, characterized by a widely mocked man-hug between the former President and Vice President, served as a high-profile branding exercise for Gore’s struggling media network. While the Wall Street Journal detailed the diplomatic theater, questions remain regarding the actual detention conditions of the journalists and the strategic benefits gained by Kim Jong-il during the visit. George Sodini, a senior programmer at the influential law firm K&L Gates, carried out a mass shooting at a Pittsburgh gym that has raised significant red flags. Despite his high-level professional status and connections to a firm representing Bill Gates, media coverage has avoided interviewing his colleagues or exploring his meticulous home networking setup. Discrepancies in his website’s primitive HTML coding suggest the official narrative may mask deeper connections to dating cults or sensitive financial data. Meanwhile, the Obama administration extended a twenty-million-dollar contract to Blackwater despite ongoing whistleblower allegations against Eric Prince. Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and the SEIU are pushing a healthcare reform agenda that critics label as manufactured astroturfing. Personal accounts from the UAW assembly lines of the 1970s reveal a history of productivity fueled by amphetamines, contrasting sharply with modern government initiatives like the nineteen-million-dollar Small Step program. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down these systemic shifts alongside reports of hidden atomic devices in Washington D.C. and the suspicious removal of power outage data from New York Times reports following the Hudson River mid-air collision. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/transcript.md. ### 1. Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco Weather and Taxi Eric (0:01–1:56) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 120 of the No Agenda podcast from their respective locations in San Francisco and Silicon Valley. They discuss the local weather conditions and an anecdote regarding a taxi driver in Amsterdam named Eric. The conversation touches on the driver's multitasking habits and a near-miss traffic incident involving a lorry. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [taxi eric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxi-eric.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Swine Flu Panic, Media Fear in the Netherlands and Spain (1:57–3:29) A contact in Amsterdam expresses extreme anxiety over the "Mexican flu" after his daughter returned from a vacation in Spain. The discussion highlights how media coverage in the Netherlands and Spain has fueled public panic regarding the virus and celebrity quarantines. One host describes spending thirty minutes talking the individual down from a state of hysteria. Keywords: [swine flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/swine-flu.md), [mexican flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexican-flu.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md), [quarantine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/quarantine.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/2.md) ### 3. World War I Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels and Public Relations (3:30–5:10) The origins of modern propaganda are traced back to American public relations techniques developed during World War I. Joseph Goebbels reportedly studied these American methods, including posters depicting Germans as monsters, to build the Nazi propaganda machine. The narrative suggests that these techniques are consistently effective at manipulating the public into supporting conflicts. Keywords: [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md), [joseph goebbels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joseph-goebbels.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [public relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-relations.md), [library of congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/library-of-congress.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Law & Order, Pharmaceutical Advertising and Dick Wolf (5:12–7:44) A listener-producer provides background on Dick Wolf, the producer of Law & Order, noting his connections to George W. Bush and Fred Thompson. The discussion posits that expensive television dramas may serve as propaganda vehicles for the pharmaceutical industry, which dominates advertising slots during news broadcasts. Specific mention is made of drugs for restless leg syndrome and eyelash growth. Keywords: [law & order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/law-order.md), [dick wolf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dick-wolf.md), [pharmaceuticals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceuticals.md), fred thompson, [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/4.md) ### 5. White House Pharmaceutical Deal, Medicare Pricing and Rahm Emanuel (7:46–10:27) The Obama administration reportedly reached a deal with the pharmaceutical industry lobby, PHRMA, to reduce healthcare costs by $80 billion over ten years. Critics argue the deal is a "drug deal" that prevents Medicare from capping medication prices in exchange for industry cooperation. The lack of transparency regarding meetings in the Roosevelt room involving Rahm Emanuel is highlighted. Keywords: [rahm emanuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rahm-emanuel.md), [pharma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharma.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [healthcare reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-reform.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/5.md) ### 6. SEIU Union Structure, Kathleen Sebelius and Town Hall Meetings (10:27–14:35) The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and its role in organizing support for healthcare reform are examined following a "Mythbusters" call with Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. The hosts attempt to define the membership of the SEIU, comparing it to AFSCME and noting its heavy concentration of government and county employees. One host recounts his past experience as an air pollution inspector attempting to join a union. Keywords: [seiu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seiu.md), [kathleen sebelius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kathleen-sebelius.md), [afscme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afscme.md), [unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unions.md), [town halls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/town-halls.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Town Hall Protests, Astroturfing Claims and Nancy Pelosi (14:36–16:52) Disruptive town hall meetings regarding healthcare reform are characterized by some politicians, including Nancy Pelosi, as "astroturf" organized by right-wing groups. The discussion contrasts these organic protests with the professional organization of the SEIU and ACORN. The hosts argue that heated public debate is a fundamental aspect of democracy rather than a manufactured fiasco. Keywords: [town halls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/town-halls.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [astroturf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/astroturf.md), [seiu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seiu.md), [acorn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/acorn.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Assembly Line Work, International Harvester and Amphetamine Use (16:53–20:02) A personal anecdote describes working on an International Harvester assembly line as a member of the UAW during the 1970s. The story details the difficulty of maintaining production speed while cleaning hose assemblies for high-temperature clutches. The narrative concludes with the revelation that high factory productivity at the time was often fueled by widespread amphetamine use among workers. Keywords: [international harvester](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/international-harvester.md), [uaw](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uaw.md), [assembly line](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assembly-line.md), [amphetamines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amphetamines.md), [manufacturing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manufacturing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Dual Employment, Mononucleosis and California Disability Insurance (20:04–23:22) A story is told about simultaneously working full-time graveyard shifts at a Ford plant and daytime shifts at a Smirnoff bottling line. The extreme schedule resulted in a "white flash" health crisis and a severe case of mononucleosis, leading to a period of state-funded disability. The discussion transitions into the modern requirements for unemployment and disability insurance for employers in California. Keywords: [ford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ford.md), smirnoff, mononucleosis, [disability insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disability-insurance.md), [mevio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mevio.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Socialized Medicine, End-of-Life Care and Infant Mortality (23:23–26:43) The debate over socialized medicine focuses on the inevitability of rationing care and making difficult decisions regarding end-of-life treatment to prioritize younger generations. The hosts discuss the potential for a 50% tax rate to fund such a system. Comparisons are made between the U.S. healthcare system and European models regarding life expectancy and infant mortality rates. Keywords: [socialized medicine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socialized-medicine.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md), infant mortality, [taxation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/10.md) ### 11. GMO Soy Imports, US-EU Trade and Insurance History (26:44–30:36) The European Union recently blocked imports of U.S. soy due to traces of genetically modified (GMO) corn, causing potential supply shortages for cattle feed. The conversation shifts to the history of the American medical system, claiming that the "insurance scam" beginning in the 1950s led to the end of doctor house calls and the inflation of medical costs. Keywords: [gmo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gmo.md), [soy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soy.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance.md), [healthcare costs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-costs.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Vincent Xavier, Washington DC Atomic Bomb Prediction (30:36–34:10) Radio broadcaster Vincent Xavier claims that an atomic bomb is hidden under Washington D.C. and is scheduled for detonation in October. The hosts play clips of Xavier asserting this "knowledge" is a divine revelation rather than a belief. While skeptical of the claim, they discuss the potential impact on travel and hotel prices in the capital around the predicted date. Keywords: vincent xavier, [washington dc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-dc.md), [atomic bomb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atomic-bomb.md), [prophecy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prophecy.md), christian radio [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/12.md) ### 13. George Sodini, K&L Gates and the Pittsburgh Gym Shooting (34:10–36:43) George Sodini, a senior computer programmer at the powerful law firm K&L Gates, committed a mass shooting at a Pittsburgh gym before killing himself. The hosts question the official narrative, noting Sodini's high-level professional status and his firm's deep connections to Bill Gates and Washington D.C. power structures. They express suspicion regarding the lack of media interviews with his colleagues. Keywords: george sodini, k&l gates, [pittsburgh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pittsburgh.md), [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [mass murder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mass-murder.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/13.md) ### 14. George Sodini Videos, RDS and Dating Cults (36:44–39:55) Analysis of George Sodini's YouTube videos reveals references to "RDS," identified as author R. Don Steele of the "Steel Balls" dating advice site. The videos show Sodini's meticulous home and Cat5 network, contradicting the typical profile of a "postal" shooter. The hosts suggest Sodini may have been following a rigid, cult-like dating system for men over 35. Keywords: george sodini, r. don steele, steel balls, rds, [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/14.md) ### 15. George Sodini Website, HTML Coding and Conspiracy Theories (39:55–44:50) The website georgesodini.com is scrutinized for its primitive HTML 1.0 coding, which the hosts find inconsistent with Sodini's background as a Carnegie Mellon-educated senior programmer. A theory is proposed that the site was a setup and that Sodini may have been targeted due to sensitive knowledge, possibly related to Goldman Sachs trading programs. Keywords: george sodini, [html](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/html.md), [carnegie mellon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carnegie-mellon.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [cyber security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-security.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/15.md) ### 16. K&L Gates Law Firm, Bill Gates and UN Sea Laws (44:51–49:00) The law firm K&L Gates is identified as the de facto legal representative for Bill Gates and his foundation. The hosts discuss the firm's influence, including a partner's involvement in United Nations sea law oversight. They predict the Pittsburgh shooting will be used to push for stricter gun control laws, specifically targeting the loaning of firearms. Keywords: k&l gates, [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), sea laws, [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/16.md) ### 17. HHS Small Step Program, Labor-Saving Devices and Grants.gov (49:02–50:35) A shortwave radio clip from the Department of Health and Human Services advises citizens to avoid "labor-saving devices" as part of a $19 million health initiative. The hosts mock the government's "Small Step" tips and transition to discussing the complexity of the grants.gov website, encouraging listeners to find a grant for the podcast. Keywords: [hhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hhs.md), smallsteps.gov, grants.gov, [audacity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audacity.md), [health tips](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-tips.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Recovery.gov Mapping, Job Estimation Methods and Del Monte (50:35–54:51) The $18 million redesign of recovery.gov is criticized for using "speculative" methods to estimate jobs created or saved by the stimulus package. The hosts trace the data back to a January report by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, arguing the figures are essentially "made up." They also note that the Del Monte Corporation received $9 million in stimulus grants. Keywords: [recovery.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recovery-gov.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md), [christina romer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christina-romer.md), [jared bernstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jared-bernstein.md), del monte [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Unemployment Figures, Bum Index and EBITDA Profitable (54:52–57:04) The official unemployment rate's drop from 9.5% to 9.4% is questioned, as the U.S. still lost 250,000 jobs in the same period. The hosts explain that the number decreased because long-term unemployed individuals "fell off the rolls" and are no longer counted. They compare these misleading statistics to the corporate use of "EBITDA" to mask financial losses. Keywords: [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), ebitda, joblessness, labor statistics [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Hudson River Mid-Air Collision, New York Times and EMP (57:06–59:54) A collision between a Piper airplane and a sightseeing helicopter over the Hudson River resulted in nine fatalities. The hosts highlight a line removed from the New York Times report regarding a power outage in five counties immediately following the crash. This leads to a discussion about Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons and their potential effects on the electrical grid. Keywords: [hudson river](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hudson-river.md), piper aircraft, [helicopter crash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/helicopter-crash.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense, Norway and EMP Interception (59:54–1:03:27) A Navy Admiral discusses the Aegis anti-ballistic missile system and its sale to international partners like Japan, South Korea, and Norway. During a briefing, the Admiral declines to discuss EMP specifics due to classification but confirms the system's ability to intercept various threats. The hosts question why Norway is purchasing such advanced missile defense technology. Keywords: aegis, [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), ballistic missile defense, [norway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norway.md), [emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/21.md) ### 22. EMP Strike Philosophy, Faraday Cages and Hardening Systems (1:03:27–1:07:40) The strategic implications of an EMP attack are explored, noting that such a strike could be more devastating than a traditional nuclear blast by destroying electrical devices. The hosts discuss "hardening" systems using Faraday cages or steel enclosures to protect computers. They speculate that the development of the "smart grid" may be related to EMP defense. Keywords: [emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md), [faraday cage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/faraday-cage.md), [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Blackwater Contract Extension, Eric Prince and Presidential Airways (1:07:46–1:11:35) Despite whistleblower allegations against owner Eric Prince, the Obama administration extended a $20 million security contract with Blackwater. Additionally, the Army signed an $8.9 million contract with Presidential Airways, Blackwater's aviation wing, for services at Bagram Air Base. The discussion notes allegations of weapons smuggling hidden in dog food involving the private airline. Keywords: [blackwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackwater.md), [eric prince](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-prince.md), jan schakowsky, [bagram air base](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bagram-air-base.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Current TV Journalists, Bill Clinton and North Korea PR (1:11:36–1:15:27) Bill Clinton's mission to North Korea to secure the release of two Current TV journalists is characterized as a major PR stunt for Al Gore's struggling network. The Wall Street Journal's detailed description of a "man hug" between Clinton and Gore is mocked. The hosts suggest Kim Jong-il benefited the most from the high-profile diplomatic visit. Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [al gore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-gore.md), [current tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/current-tv.md), [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [kim jong-il](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-jong-il.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/24.md) ### 25. North Korea Detention Conditions, Edith Piaf and Publicity Stunts (1:15:28–1:18:10) The conditions of the Current TV journalists' detention in North Korea are questioned, with claims they were held in a hotel rather than a prison. One host compares a journalist's voice to Edith Piaf and dismisses the entire event as an annoying publicity stunt. They criticize the journalists for crossing the border illegally to chase a story. Keywords: [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [current tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/current-tv.md), edith piaf, [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Canned Laughter, 30 Rock and Television Production (1:18:11–1:21:59) A critique of "canned laughter" in sitcoms like Friends argues that the practice is insulting and distracting to viewers. The host contrasts this with 30 Rock, which does not use a laugh track despite lower ratings. The discussion explains how audience reactions are often recorded separately and manipulated by technicians to trigger psychological responses in the home audience. Keywords: canned laughter, [30 rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/30-rock.md), [tina fey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tina-fey.md), [friends](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/friends.md), [sitcoms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sitcoms.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Listener Donations, Phi Constant and John Foley's Birthday (1:22:00–1:26:22) The hosts acknowledge various listener donations, including a $161.80 contribution linked to the mathematical constant Phi. A donor from Oahu, Hawaii, sends $69.40 to celebrate her boyfriend John Foley's 40th birthday. The segment includes a discussion of "Portuguese sausage" and a humorous attempt at a synchronized birthday greeting over Skype. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), phi, [oahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oahu.md), [portuguese sausage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portuguese-sausage.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Producer Credits, ASCII Codes and Age Jokes (1:26:22–1:30:36) New listener-producers from Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, and Switzerland are recognized for their financial support. One producer, Matthew Wilson, donated $78.65, representing the ASCII decimal codes for "N" and "A." The hosts engage in banter regarding their actual ages versus the numbers submitted by donors. Keywords: [ascii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ascii.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), [woodstock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/woodstock.md), [producer credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producer-credits.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Crop Circles, Lisbon Treaty and Irish Media Rules (1:30:36–1:34:05) A discussion on crop circles features claims from Namibia and Holland that the patterns are easily replicated using ropes and flashlights at night. The segment then shifts to new Irish broadcasting guidelines for the Lisbon Treaty referendum. The rules no longer require "absolute equality" of airtime for opposing sides during editorial coverage, potentially slanting the debate. Keywords: [crop circles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crop-circles.md), [lisbon treaty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisbon-treaty.md), [ireland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ireland.md), broadcasting commission, [referendum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/referendum.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/120-the-clinton-gore-man-hug/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Vivek Kundra, C-SPAN Holodeck Rant and Sign-off (1:34:06–1:36:40) Federal CIO Vivek Kundra is mocked for a C-SPAN appearance where he used "holodeck" metaphors and tech buzzwords to discuss broadband. The hosts describe him as a "total dork" whose sentences make little sense to actual geeks. The episode concludes with a reminder about upcoming listener dinners in Las Vegas and a sign-off from Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. 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