# Couple of Reds

> A presidential stand-down in the Strait of Hormuz meets a grassroots rebellion from the ADOS movement as the Democratic Party faces a shifting electoral calculus.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1149
- **Published:** 2019-06-27
- **Length:** 2h 50m
- **Topics:** Iran Drone, ADOS Movement, [Biometric Security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biometric-security.md), Austin Homelessness, [Climate Emergency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-emergency.md), [Mueller Report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mueller-report.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds

## About this episode

President Donald Trump aborted a retaliatory strike on Iran minutes before execution, citing a potential death toll of 150 people as a disproportionate response to a downed U.S. drone. While official narratives claim the aircraft was in international waters, the recovery of debris by Iranian forces suggests a different flight path. This decision highlights a growing rift between the White House and hawkish advisors like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo who favor military escalation.

In domestic politics, the American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) movement, led by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, is challenging the Democratic Party's reliance on the black voting bloc. Activists in California and Philadelphia are publicly criticizing sanctuary city policies and the prioritization of the Latino vote over native-born citizens. Meanwhile, Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian confirmed the rollout of biometric facial recognition at international terminals, and Austin Mayor Steve Adler faced backlash after the city council repealed ordinances against public camping and panhandling.

John C. Dvorak recounts the myth-making of the Comdex era while Adam Curry describes the logistical nightmare of baggage system failures at Austin Bergstrom International Airport. The program deconstructs a celebrity-laden Mueller report video produced by Rob Reiner, noting the sickly aesthetic of Hollywood elites. In a rare success story, the No Agenda community secured a mainframe DBA position for the husband of Lady Dame Bente Holt Edlich through the value-for-value network.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/transcript.md.

### 1. Studio Soundproofing, Equipment Setup, IRS Deductions (0:00–2:39)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from their respective studios in Austin and Northern Silicon Valley. Dvorak describes receiving new soundproofing panels from Sir Blake and his girlfriend, while Curry jokes about the necessity of high-end gear for IRS tax deductions. The hosts discuss the physical setup of their recording spaces and the permanence of their current locations.

Keywords: sir blake, [soundproofing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soundproofing.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), [equipment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/equipment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/1.md)

### 2. European Travel, Gatwick Airport, Norwegian Air Dreamliner (2:40–7:27)

Adam Curry recounts his recent travel itinerary from Faro, Portugal, to Austin, Texas, via Gatwick Airport. He criticizes European airport designs that force passengers through duty-free shopping areas and describes his stay at the technology-packed BLOC Hotel. Curry praises the comfort of the Norwegian Air Dreamliner aircraft despite the airline's financial struggles.

Keywords: [gatwick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gatwick.md), norwegian air, [dreamliner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dreamliner.md), [belfast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belfast.md), faro, bloc hotel

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Parental Expectations, Homecomings, Child Behavior (7:28–8:28)

The hosts share a brief aside regarding their expectations when returning home from long trips. They compare notes on whether their children leave food in the fridge or prepare for their arrival, concluding that such gestures are rare. The conversation highlights the disconnect between parental hopes and the reality of busy households.

Keywords: [parenting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parenting.md), [homecoming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homecoming.md), [family](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/family.md), household, expectations

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Austin Bergstrom Airport, International Terminal, Baggage System Failures (8:29–10:09)

Austin Bergstrom International Airport experienced significant baggage handling failures following the arrival of several international flights. Adam Curry describes a "nightmare" scenario where luggage became clogged in a system not yet ready for high-volume international traffic. The city council has reportedly earmarked two million dollars for a new baggage handling system to address these recurring infrastructure issues.

Keywords: [austin bergstrom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin-bergstrom.md), baggage handling, international terminal, norwegian air, airport infrastructure

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Delta Air Lines, Ed Bastian, Biometric Facial Recognition (10:09–15:16)

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian discusses the implementation of full biometric facilities at international concourses, utilizing facial recognition for check-in and security. Adam Curry expresses deep privacy concerns regarding the government's collaboration with commercial airlines to share citizen data. The discussion touches on the inevitability of these systems and the potential for non-users to be deemed suspicious by authorities.

Keywords: [delta air lines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/delta-air-lines.md), [ed bastian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ed-bastian.md), [facial recognition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facial-recognition.md), [biometrics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biometrics.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [cbp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbp.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Joe Rogan, Ted Kaczynski, Technological Society Critique (15:16–17:51)

A discussion on Joe Rogan's podcast regarding the inevitability of technology prompts a correction regarding the history of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. The hosts clarify that Kaczynski was a participant in Harvard LSD studies linked to MK Ultra, which influenced his radical anti-technology manifesto. They debate whether society is sleepwalking into a technological trap that Kaczynski predicted would lead to widespread disaster.

Keywords: [joe rogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-rogan.md), [ted kaczynski](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ted-kaczynski.md), [unabomber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unabomber.md), [harvard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvard.md), [mk ultra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mk-ultra.md), [technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Comdex Parties, Helicopter Myths, Podcaster Responsibility (17:54–20:10)

John C. Dvorak shares an anecdote about legendary parties he co-organized at the Comdex trade shows with Jerry Pournelle. He illustrates how false memories and myths, such as him arriving via helicopter, take on a life of their own in public perception. The hosts use this to emphasize the responsibility of podcasters like Joe Rogan to be accurate when speaking to large audiences.

Keywords: [comdex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comdex.md), [jerry pournelle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-pournelle.md), [helicopter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/helicopter.md), [misinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/misinformation.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Senator Mazie Hirono, ICE Director Mark Albence, Immigration Hearings (20:12–22:38)

Senator Mazie Hirono questioned ICE Acting Director Mark Albence during a congressional hearing regarding the conditions of family residential centers. Albence defended the facilities, noting that individuals are detained for violations of Title 8 of the U.S. Nationality Act. The hosts criticize Hirono's line of questioning, suggesting she lacks a basic understanding of the legal processes involved in border enforcement.

Keywords: [mazie hirono](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mazie-hirono.md), mark albence, [ice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), title 8, [hawaii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hawaii.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Democratic Immigration Strategy, Voter Class, Border Policy (22:39–25:39)

The hosts analyze the Democratic Party's stance on immigration, alleging a cynical strategy to create a new class of voters. They argue that current asylum laws are being exploited to release illegal immigrants into the country on their own recognizance. The discussion suggests that leadership like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer prioritize potential future votes over border security or the concerns of existing citizens.

Keywords: [chuck schumer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-schumer.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), asylum law, [driver's licenses](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/driver-s-licenses.md), voting bloc

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Producer Moe, ADOS Movement, Black Political Unity (25:39–31:59)

A producer named Moe provides insight into the ADOS (American Descendants of Slavery) movement and its friction with the Democratic Party. The movement argues that black Americans have been taken for granted as a voting bloc and are now demanding tangible policy results rather than symbolic gestures. The hosts discuss how the Obama presidency was seen by some in this community as a final disappointment, leading to a shift in political alignment.

Keywords: [ados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ados.md), producer moe, [reparations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reparations.md), [democratic party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democratic-party.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), voting bloc

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Yvette Carnell, Antonio Moore, Reparations Agenda (31:59–36:32)

Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore are identified as the founders of the ADOS movement, which seeks specific reparations for descendants of U.S. chattel slavery. They distinguish their group from other black immigrants, such as those from the Caribbean or Africa, who did not share the same historical experience in the United States. The movement's agenda includes streamlining affirmative action and securing small business loans specifically for ADOS individuals.

Keywords: [yvette carnell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yvette-carnell.md), [antonio moore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antonio-moore.md), [ados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ados.md), [reparations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reparations.md), [affirmative action](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affirmative-action.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Mueller Report Failure, Black Agenda, Incarceration Rates (36:33–41:23)

Antonio Moore argues that the Democratic Party's obsession with the Mueller report and Russia investigation came at the expense of a substantive black agenda. He highlights the disparity in incarceration rates for black men compared to other groups and criticizes the focus on DACA and illegal immigration. The ADOS movement asserts that the party must acknowledge the specific needs of the group that helped build the country's infrastructure.

Keywords: [mueller report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mueller-report.md), [ados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ados.md), [incarceration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/incarceration.md), [daca](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daca.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Joy Reid, Shereen Mitchell, Russian Bot Narrative (41:24–44:15)

MSNBC host Joy Reid and guest Shereen Mitchell discuss the rise of the ADOS hashtag, suggesting it may be a product of Russian bot activity. They claim that accounts focusing on black identity and criticizing candidates like Kamala Harris are mimicking the community's vernacular to sow discord. The hosts of No Agenda counter that this is an attempt by the "Boule" or black elite to discredit a legitimate grassroots movement.

Keywords: [joy reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-reid.md), shereen mitchell, [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [bots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bots.md), [ados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ados.md), [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Sanctuary Cities, Black Community Backlash, Tax Fairness (44:16–46:58)

During a California council meeting, members of the black community expressed outrage over sanctuary city policies, calling them racist and destructive to black families. Speakers argued that illegal immigration displaces black workers and that the "Dreamer" narrative ignores the struggles of native-born black Americans. The testimony included claims that illegal immigrants receive benefits and tax exemptions not afforded to citizens.

Keywords: [sanctuary cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [illegal immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illegal-immigration.md), [black community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-community.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Candace Owens, Blexit, Congressional Testimony (46:58–49:33)

Candace Owens testified before Congress regarding the state of the black community and her support for President Trump. She argued that the Democratic Party has abused black voters and that Trump's policies have led to record-low black unemployment and a reduction in food stamp dependency. Owens emphasized that father absence is the primary issue facing the community, rather than the rhetoric often highlighted by the media.

Keywords: [candace owens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/candace-owens.md), [blexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blexit.md), father absence, [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Democratic Calculus, Latino Voting Bloc, Trump's Opportunity (49:34–52:39)

The hosts discuss the political "calculus" of the Democratic Party, suggesting they are willing to alienate black voters in favor of the larger Latino voting bloc. They argue that if President Trump were to explicitly support the ADOS agenda and address the harms of illegal immigration on black Americans, he could secure a significant portion of the vote. However, they remain skeptical that Trump fully understands the nuances of the movement yet.

Keywords: voting blocs, [latino community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/latino-community.md), [ados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ados.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md), [immigration law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration-law.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Media Bias, Journalist Demographics, Republican Silence (52:39–56:15)

John C. Dvorak recounts his experiences speaking to groups of journalists where nearly all identified as Democrats, illustrating a deep-seated bias in mainstream media. He argues that the media serves as a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, leading to the suppression of stories like the ADOS movement. The hosts discuss the fear and embarrassment that prevents many people from openly supporting Republican or pro-Trump viewpoints in professional settings.

Keywords: [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [joy reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-reid.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md), [republican](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican.md), [minnesota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minnesota.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Fear vs. Embarrassment, Global Trump Support, Public Perception (56:15–57:43)

During a cab ride in Belfast, Adam Curry noted that the driver was surprised to hear any support for Donald Trump from Americans. The hosts debate whether the lack of public support for the president is due to embarrassment or a genuine fear of social repercussions. They conclude that the media's constant programming creates an environment where honesty about political leanings is discouraged.

Keywords: [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md), [belfast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belfast.md), [fear](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fear.md), embarrassment, [public opinion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-opinion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Rob Reiner, Celebrity Mueller Report Video, Deconstruction (57:44–1:05:18)

A group of celebrities including Robert De Niro, Martin Sheen, and Lawrence Fishburne appeared in a video produced by Rob Reiner to explain the Mueller report. The hosts deconstruct the video, accusing the actors of spreading lies and misrepresenting the report's findings on collusion and obstruction. They argue that the overproduced video is counterproductive and highlights "Trump Derangement Syndrome" among the Hollywood elite.

Keywords: [rob reiner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rob-reiner.md), [robert de niro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-de-niro.md), [mueller report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mueller-report.md), lawrence fishburne, [martin sheen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/martin-sheen.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Celebrity Influence, Visual Aesthetics, Show Business Rules (1:05:18–1:07:40)

The hosts critique the physical appearance of the celebrities in the Rob Reiner video, suggesting they look "sickly" and "decrepit." They argue that in show business, attractiveness is a key component of persuasion, and the "unattractive" presentation of these actors undermines their political message. The segment concludes with a dismissal of the video as an arrogant and ineffective attempt to influence the public.

Keywords: [hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hollywood.md), [aesthetics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aesthetics.md), [celebrity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/celebrity.md), [rob reiner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rob-reiner.md), [robert de niro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-de-niro.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Executive Producer Credits, Studio Naming Rights, No Agenda Art (1:07:40–1:13:36)

The hosts thank CZM 137 for the episode artwork and discuss the value of executive producer credits for listeners' professional profiles. They introduce a new concept for studio naming rights, where donors of $50 or more can nominate a name for the studio to be used for one month. This initiative is presented as a way to honor producers without turning the show into a commercial enterprise.

Keywords: [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md), studio naming, czm 137, [artwork](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/artwork.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Bente Holt Edlich, Mainframe DBA Job Karma, Success Story (1:13:38–1:15:14)

Lady Dame Bente Holt Edlich reports a successful outcome after requesting "job karma" for her husband, a mainframe database administrator. Several No Agenda producers contacted the couple with job leads, resulting in a new position starting in August. The hosts celebrate the community's ability to facilitate real-world employment opportunities for its members.

Keywords: bente holt edlich, [job karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-karma.md), [mainframe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mainframe.md), [dba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dba.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Canada Climate Emergency, Trans Mountain Pipeline, Carbon Tax (1:15:14–1:18:29)

Producer Jim Bennett provides an update on Canadian politics, noting the government's declaration of a climate emergency followed immediately by the approval of the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion. A CBC poll suggests that most Canadians are only willing to pay $100 annually to fight climate change, highlighting a disconnect between government policy and public sentiment. The hosts discuss the "yellow vest" protests in Ottawa as a reaction to these federal carbon tax fights.

Keywords: [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [catherine mckenna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/catherine-mckenna.md), trans mountain pipeline, [carbon tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md), [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Bailey the Dog, Karma Jingle Reaction, Cape Town Invitation (1:18:30–1:22:49)

A producer from Cape Town, South Africa, shares videos of his dog, Bailey, who howls every time the No Agenda "karma jingle" plays. The hosts are entertained by the dog's consistent reaction and promise to create a special "Bailey Karma" sound effect. The segment includes an invitation for the hosts to visit Cape Town for a meetup and wine tasting in the Franschhoek region.

Keywords: bailey, [dog](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dog.md), [karma jingle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma-jingle.md), [cape town](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cape-town.md), [south africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-africa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Clean Air Regulations, Outdoor Cooking Exemptions, Producer Credits (1:22:49–1:25:11)

Ron Woodbury writes in from the "flyover states" about enjoying steak cooked on a natural gas grill despite clean air regulations. John C. Dvorak notes that outdoor cooking is often exempt from wood-burning bans, allowing residents to bypass certain environmental restrictions. The hosts conclude the donation segment by reiterating the value of producer credits and the "value-for-value" model.

Keywords: clean air, [barbecue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbecue.md), [cooking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cooking.md), flyover states, [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Iran Drone Shootdown, Trump's Decision, Casualty Estimates (1:25:13–1:31:39)

President Trump initially authorized a military strike against Iran after the shootdown of a U.S. drone but aborted the mission minutes before execution. Trump claimed the decision was based on a report that 150 people would be killed, which he deemed a disproportionate response to the loss of an unmanned aircraft. The hosts analyze the media's reporting of the event and the context of Trump's "Twitter rattling" versus actual military action.

Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [drone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md), [straits of hormuz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/straits-of-hormuz.md), 150 casualties, proportionate response

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Drone Debris, International Waters Dispute, Intelligence Mole Theory (1:31:40–1:34:52)

The hosts question the official narrative that the U.S. drone was shot down over international waters, noting that Iran possessed physical debris that would likely have sunk in deep water. A theory is presented suggesting that the mission was aborted because U.S. intelligence discovered Iran had received a leaked target list and had moved anti-aircraft assets to defend them. This "mole" theory suggests Trump's decision was based on protecting American pilots rather than Iranian casualties.

Keywords: drone debris, international waters, [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md), [mole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mole.md), target list

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Sean Hannity, War Rhetoric, PBS Analysis (1:34:53–1:38:39)

The hosts criticize media figures like Sean Hannity for promoting military conflict with Iran using simplistic "mathematical" arguments. They also review a PBS NewsHour segment that questioned why President Trump received casualty estimates so late in the decision-making process. The discussion highlights the tension between the military establishment's desire for action and the president's reluctance to enter new wars.

Keywords: [sean hannity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-hannity.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [military strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-strike.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Unpredictability Campaign Promise, Deep State Traps, Bolton and Pompeo (1:38:39–1:42:59)

A PBS analyst's claim that Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise to be "unpredictable" is mocked by the hosts as a misunderstanding of his anti-war stance. They suggest that warmongers within the administration, such as John Bolton and Mike Pompeo, may have attempted to trap the president into a conflict. The hosts praise Trump for resisting these pressures and avoiding a potentially catastrophic and expensive war.

Keywords: [john bolton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-bolton.md), [mike pompeo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pompeo.md), [deep state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deep-state.md), unpredictability, warmongers

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Cyber Strikes, Thomas Bossert, Atlantic Council (1:43:00–1:47:06)

The Washington Post reported that President Trump approved offensive cyber strikes against Iranian computer systems used for missile launches. Former Homeland Security Advisor Thomas Bossert, now an ABC News analyst and Atlantic Council fellow, commented on the operation's role in defending shipping lanes. The hosts identify Bossert as a "spook" and a placeholder for the deep state, noting his departure from the administration coincided with John Bolton's arrival.

Keywords: cyber strike, thomas bossert, [atlantic council](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlantic-council.md), [irgc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irgc.md), [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Hong Kong Protests, Extradition Bill, Crowd Discipline (1:47:07–1:48:39)

Massive protests continued in Hong Kong as demonstrators demanded the complete withdrawal of a bill that would allow extraditions to mainland China. The hosts marvel at the "crowd discipline" shown in viral footage of protesters parting for an ambulance. They speculate whether these protests could serve as a dry run for similar movements in Beijing against the leadership of Xi Jinping.

Keywords: [hong kong](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hong-kong.md), [extradition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/extradition.md), [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), [protests](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/protests.md), crowd discipline

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Philadelphia Police, Facebook Posts, Plainview Project (1:48:40–1:55:16)

Seventy-two Philadelphia police officers were placed on administrative leave following an investigation into offensive Facebook posts by the Plainview Project. The hosts argue that many of the flagged posts were examples of "gallows humor" or sarcasm that have been taken out of context by activists. They characterize the investigation as a "witch hunt" designed to frame the police as enemies of the community.

Keywords: philadelphia police, [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), plainview project, [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), gallows humor

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Austin Homeless Ordinances, Camping and Panhandling, Mayor Steve Adler (1:55:18–2:00:07)

The Austin City Council, led by Mayor Steve Adler, voted to remove ordinances forbidding camping and panhandling in public spaces. Police Chief Brian Manley clarified that officers can no longer intervene unless a person is posing a direct safety hazard or blocking a right-of-way. The hosts criticize the decision, predicting it will lead to the same "quality-of-life" issues seen in cities like San Francisco and Seattle.

Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [steve adler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-adler.md), [homelessness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homelessness.md), [camping ordinance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/camping-ordinance.md), [panhandling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/panhandling.md), brian manley

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Millennial Communication, Pizza Ordering, Unhoused New-Speak (2:00:08–2:03:47)

The hosts discuss a perceived shift in millennial behavior, noting a preference for online interactions over direct phone calls, even for simple tasks like ordering pizza. They link this "non-confrontational" vibe to the adoption of terms like "unhoused" to describe the homeless population. This "new-speak" is criticized as a form of performative compassion that fails to address the underlying issues of urban decay.

Keywords: [millennials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/millennials.md), [communication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communication.md), [pizza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pizza.md), unhoused, [compassion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/compassion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Georgia Anti-Russian Clashes, Pipeline Geopolitics, Tbilisi (2:03:47–2:04:32)

Violent anti-Russian protests erupted in Tbilisi, Georgia, resulting in over 240 injuries as demonstrators attempted to storm the parliament building. The hosts suspect the unrest is tied to regional pipeline geopolitics and the long-standing tension following the 2008 breakaway of Georgian provinces. They note that the story has received very little coverage in Western mainstream media.

Keywords: [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [tbilisi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tbilisi.md), [pipelines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pipelines.md), [protests](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/protests.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/35.md)

### 36. German Climate Protests, Global South, Polar Bear Myths (2:04:34–2:06:08)

Organizers estimate that 20,000 people gathered in Western Germany to protest the European Union's failure to reach a carbon-neutral agreement by 2050. The hosts mock the protesters' claims about the "Global South" and the use of "hungry polar bear" imagery to drive climate anxiety. They characterize the movement as a nonsense exercise driven by millennials who are easily manipulated by environmental narratives.

Keywords: [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [global south](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-south.md), coal mines, [polar bears](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/polar-bears.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Electric Vehicle CO2 Study, Battery Lifespan, Nuclear Power (2:06:09–2:09:08)

A German study suggests that electric vehicles (EVs) may not significantly decrease CO2 emissions when accounting for battery manufacturing and the carbon intensity of the power grid. The hosts discuss how the energy lost in transmission and the processing of lithium contribute to a Tesla's overall carbon footprint, potentially making it worse than a modern diesel engine. They argue that EVs only make environmental sense if the grid is powered by nuclear energy.

Keywords: [electric vehicles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-vehicles.md), [co2 emissions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/co2-emissions.md), [tesla](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tesla.md), [lithium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium.md), [nuclear power](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-power.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Associate Executive Producers, Meetup Logistics, Value for Value (2:09:09–2:17:50)

The hosts read a long list of associate executive producers and donors, thanking them for their financial support of the "value-for-value" model. They mention a producer in Portugal who helped facilitate a high-end experience for Adam Curry during his recent trip. The segment reinforces the idea that the show is entirely listener-supported and avoids traditional advertising.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [portugal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portugal.md), [jeff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Birthdays, No Agenda Meetups, Baronet Title Change (2:17:55–2:20:22)

A list of upcoming No Agenda meetups in London, Seattle, and the Netherlands is shared, with a special mention of a potential Chicago gathering. The hosts also announce a title upgrade for Sir Loud Pipes, who has achieved the status of Baronet. They encourage listeners to attend local meetups to build the community and interact with fellow "producers."

Keywords: [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [baronet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baronet.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Bernie Sanders, Minimum Wage, Walmart and the Waltons (2:20:25–2:23:22)

Bernie Sanders appeared on Fox News to advocate for a $15 federal minimum wage, targeting the Walton family's wealth as a justification. Sanders argued that taxpayers are effectively subsidizing Walmart's low wages through social programs like Medicaid and food stamps. The hosts acknowledge the simplicity and effectiveness of Sanders' pitch, even as they remain critical of his overall socialist platform.

Keywords: [bernie sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-sanders.md), [minimum wage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minimum-wage.md), [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), walton family, [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Killer Mike, Tavis Smiley, Second Amendment Advocacy (2:23:22–2:25:38)

The hosts discuss the marginalization of black public figures like Killer Mike and Tavis Smiley who deviate from the Democratic Party line. They highlight Killer Mike's advocacy for the Second Amendment and the idea that the black community should be armed for self-protection. This segment explores how the media "disappears" individuals who challenge the established political narratives of the left.

Keywords: [killer mike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/killer-mike.md), [tavis smiley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tavis-smiley.md), [cornel west](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cornel-west.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Democratic Socialists, Public Ownership, Working People Myth (2:25:38–2:29:31)

Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of America are criticized for their goal of having "working people" run the economy and workplaces. The hosts question the definition of "working people," calling it a mythical term used as a code for socialist or communist ideologies. They argue that the phrase is a "fellow traveler" signal rather than a substantive policy description.

Keywords: [democratic socialism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democratic-socialism.md), public ownership, working people, [communism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communism.md), [bernie sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-sanders.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Ukraine and China Conflicts (2:29:32–2:32:26)

ABC News reported on the potential conflicts of interest involving Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, and his business dealings in Ukraine and China. Hunter Biden's role on the board of Burisma and his investment fund in China were highlighted as troubling intersections with his father's diplomacy. In response, the Biden campaign announced a new ethics policy to monitor for such conflicts if he is elected president.

Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [hunter biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hunter-biden.md), [burisma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/burisma.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), ethics policy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, VP Selection Calculus (2:32:26–2:34:50)

The hosts debate the likely vice-presidential pick for Joe Biden, with Adam Curry betting on Stacey Abrams while John C. Dvorak considers Kamala Harris. They discuss the political necessity of picking a candidate who can secure the black vote, though they note that Harris's background may be problematic for the ADOS movement. The segment analyzes the historical pattern of rivals becoming running mates in U.S. presidential elections.

Keywords: [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [stacey abrams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stacey-abrams.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [vice president](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice-president.md), [black vote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-vote.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Pete Buttigieg, South Bend Shooting, Black Lives Matter (2:34:52–2:36:28)

Mayor Pete Buttigieg faced criticism from black voters in South Bend, Indiana, following a police shooting of a black man. During a tense confrontation with Black Lives Matter activists, Buttigieg reportedly told the crowd he was not asking for their vote, to which they responded that he wouldn't be getting it. The hosts suggest this incident highlights Buttigieg's struggle to gain traction with minority voters.

Keywords: [pete buttigieg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pete-buttigieg.md), [south bend](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-bend.md), [black lives matter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-lives-matter.md), [police shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-shooting.md), [2020 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2020-election.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Philadelphia Refinery Fire, Hydrofluoric Acid, Historical Context (2:36:28–2:40:33)

A massive fire at a 150-year-old oil refinery in Philadelphia prompted shelter-in-place orders for nearby residents. The hosts criticize Democracy Now! for reporting that the facility "produces" crude oil rather than processing it. They also highlight the extreme danger of the hydrofluoric acid used at the site, noting that a leak of the chemical could cause catastrophic health issues for the local population.

Keywords: [philadelphia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philadelphia.md), refinery fire, hydrofluoric acid, [democracy now](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy-now.md), point breeze

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Measles Coverage, Mandatory Vaccinations, Media Silence (2:40:34–2:41:18)

The hosts observe that news coverage of measles outbreaks has largely disappeared following the implementation of mandatory vaccination laws in New York. They suggest this sudden silence is a convenient coincidence for pharmaceutical companies and the government. The segment implies that the media's focus on the issue was a temporary tool to drive legislative changes.

Keywords: [measles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/measles.md), [vaccinations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccinations.md), [new york](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york.md), [media coverage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-coverage.md), [pharmaceutical](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/47.md)

### 48. London Murder Rate, Knife Crime, Sadiq Khan (2:41:19–2:42:15)

Reuters reports that the murder rate in London briefly overtook that of New York City due to a rise in knife crime. Mayor Sadiq Khan expressed deep concern over the violence, which included both stabbings and rare shooting incidents. The hosts mock the "un-British" nature of the crimes and the city's struggle to maintain safety despite strict weapon regulations.

Keywords: [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [murder rate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/murder-rate.md), [knife crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knife-crime.md), [sadiq khan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sadiq-khan.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Oregon Senate Quorum, Climate Legislation, Republican Walkout (2:42:16–2:43:09)

Eleven Republican state senators in Oregon left the state to prevent a quorum and block the passage of dramatic climate change legislation. The Republicans are demanding a public referendum on the measure rather than a legislative vote. This tactic has effectively stalled the Democratic majority's agenda regarding greenhouse gas emissions.

Keywords: [oregon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oregon.md), [state senate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-senate.md), [quorum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/quorum.md), [climate legislation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-legislation.md), republican walkout

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Supreme Court, Public Access Cable, First Amendment Ruling (2:43:10–2:45:37)

In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that Manhattan Neighborhood Network (MNN), a private non-profit, is not a state actor and can exercise editorial control over its content. Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion, while Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented, arguing that the public access channel should be treated as a public forum. The case arose after producers were suspended for airing content that allegedly harassed the station's staff.

Keywords: [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [brett kavanaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brett-kavanaugh.md), [sonia sotomayor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sonia-sotomayor.md), mnn, [first amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-amendment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Show Outro, Space Force, Final Media Deconstruction (2:45:37–2:50:04)

The hosts sign off with a final montage of media clips covering the Space Force, the Iran drone incident, and warmongering rhetoric from figures like Lindsey Graham and Brett Stevens. They reiterate their commitment to media deconstruction and thank the producers for their continued support. The episode concludes with a reminder of the "value-for-value" model and a preview of the next show.

Keywords: [space force](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/space-force.md), [straits of hormuz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/straits-of-hormuz.md), [lindsey graham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lindsey-graham.md), brett stevens, [end of show](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/end-of-show.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1149-couple-of-reds/chapter/51.md)

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