# Elusive Logic

> Political narratives unravel as intelligence officials walk back collusion claims while the UKIP leadership warns of a betrayal regarding the British exit from the European Union.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1125
- **Published:** 2019-03-31
- **Length:** 2h 47m
- **Topics:** [Mueller Report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mueller-report.md), [Brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), SPLC Scandal, [John Brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [Adam Schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-schiff.md), [Jussie Smollett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jussie-smollett.md), [Experian Boost](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/experian-boost.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic

## About this episode

Former CIA Director John Brennan and Representative Adam Schiff face intense scrutiny this week as the Mueller report’s conclusions trigger a wave of retractions and resignations. Brennan, who previously accused President Donald Trump of treason, admitted to receiving bad information, while Schiff continues to defend his promotion of the collusion narrative despite formal Republican demands for his exit from the House Intelligence Committee.

In the UK, Gerard Batten and the UKIP leadership condemn the delay of Brexit, characterizing the British political class as a barrier to sovereignty. The media landscape remains volatile as Glenn Greenwald and David Cay Johnston clash over the Russian asset narrative on Democracy Now, while Fox News host Judge Jeanine Pirro returns to the airwaves demanding justice for the targets of the investigation. Meanwhile, the Southern Poverty Law Center faces internal collapse following the firing of Morris Dees amid allegations of systemic racism and sexism.

Technical hurdles nearly derailed the broadcast as Windows updates forced a complex transition from ASIO to WASAPI drivers. Producer Darren O'Neill contributes custom Monopoly-themed artwork mocking the Jussie Smollett hoax, and the show honors new knights Sir Scott Nelson and Dame Phynonymous. John Dvorak defends his vintage fiberglass chair despite its persistent creaking during the roundtable.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/transcript.md.

### 1. Technical Difficulties, Audio Crackle and Driver Issues (0:00–3:50)

The hosts open the program by addressing severe audio crackling issues that plagued recent recordings. Troubleshooting involved switching from professional ASIO drivers to WASAPI after a Windows update potentially broke USB device compatibility. A lack of analog audio inputs on modern hardware like the Microsoft Surface and MacBook Air necessitated a complex "Lego-like" setup of USB-C adapters and mini-audio devices.

Keywords: asio driver, wasapi, [windows update](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows-update.md), surface pro, audio input, [macbook air](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macbook-air.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Viral "It's True" Clip, Tree Hugging Anecdote (3:50–6:31)

A specific audio clip of a woman repeatedly saying "It's true" has gained unexpected popularity among the show's audience and producers. The hosts recall a related, "loony" segment where individuals discussed the feelings of dead trees and grass, which has since been incorporated into musical remixes by show producers.

Keywords: [viral clip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viral-clip.md), tree hugging, [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), nature discussion, producer songs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Brexit Day Protests, Channel 4 Race Commentary (6:31–8:48)

On the scheduled Brexit day of March 29, thousands of protesters gathered in London near Parliament and Downing Street to express frustration over the delay in leaving the European Union. A Channel 4 reporter drew criticism for remarking on the air that he had "never seen so many white people in one place" while covering the rally.

Keywords: [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [sky news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sky-news.md), [channel 4](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/channel-4.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [downing street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/downing-street.md), racial commentary

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Gerard Batten, UKIP Strategy and Article 50 Criticism (8:48–14:02)

UKIP leader Gerard Batten argues that the British political class has intentionally delayed Brexit to eventually overturn the referendum result. Batten criticizes the use of Article 50, suggesting instead that the UK should have simply repealed the 1972 European Communities Act to achieve an immediate "hard Brexit." He likens Theresa May's negotiated deal to a dysfunctional divorce where the parties still share a bed and bills.

Keywords: [gerard batten](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gerard-batten.md), [ukip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukip.md), [article 50](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/article-50.md), [theresa may](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theresa-may.md), european communities act, hard brexit

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/4.md)

### 5. European Sovereignty, US Civil War Comparison (14:03–18:29)

The discussion shifts to the concept of sovereign nations within the EU, comparing the European structure to the United States post-Civil War. An anecdote about South Carolina's historical desire for monarchy serves as a backdrop to the claim that EU members are now "vassal states." Additionally, John Bolton's offer of a US-UK trade deal is viewed skeptically as a potential lopsided agreement.

Keywords: [sovereignty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sovereignty.md), [denmark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denmark.md), [south carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-carolina.md), [civil war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-war.md), [john bolton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-bolton.md), [trade deals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deals.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/5.md)

### 6. John Brennan, Mueller Report Retraction Supercut (18:32–21:11)

A montage of former CIA Director John Brennan shows his evolution from accusing President Trump of treason and predicting final indictments to admitting he may have received "bad information." Brennan's past claims of "lights blinking red" regarding collusion are contrasted with the eventual findings of the Special Counsel.

Keywords: [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [mueller report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mueller-report.md), [treason](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treason.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [collusion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/collusion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Adam Schiff, Republican Resignation Demands (21:11–26:23)

Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee formally called for Chairman Adam Schiff's resignation, accusing him of abusing his position to promote a false narrative of collusion. Schiff responded by doubling down on his criticisms, citing the Trump Tower meeting and Paul Manafort’s Russian ties as evidence of unethical behavior regardless of criminal charges.

Keywords: [adam schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-schiff.md), [house intelligence committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-intelligence-committee.md), mueller findings, [donald trump jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump-jr.md), [paul manafort](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-manafort.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Glenn Greenwald vs. David Cay Johnston, Democracy Now Debate (26:23–36:02)

Pulitzer Prize winners Glenn Greenwald and David Cay Johnston engaged in a heated debate on Democracy Now regarding the Mueller report's conclusions. Greenwald criticized the media for a "scam" narrative, while Johnston struggled to defend his previous claim that Trump is a "Russian agent," eventually pivoting to calling him an "asset." Greenwald argued that Trump’s aggressive policies toward Russia in Ukraine and Venezuela disprove the "stooge" narrative.

Keywords: [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), david cay johnston, [democracy now](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy-now.md), [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md), kremlin asset, [venezuela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/venezuela.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Judge Jeanine Pirro, Fox News Return (36:02–38:18)

Judge Jeanine Pirro returned to Fox News with a fiery monologue demanding "behind the bars justice" for those who accused the President of being a Russian agent. She characterized the collusion investigation as a blueprint for a future government overthrow and called for the unmasking of leakers.

Keywords: [jeanine pirro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeanine-pirro.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [treason](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treason.md), [accountability](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/accountability.md), [justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justice.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Paul Singer, MI6 Connections and Neocon Influence (38:19–40:10)

The hosts investigate the influence of billionaire hedge fund manager Paul Singer, who funded primary opponents of Trump. They suggest a deep-state connection involving Katie Walsh, Mike Shields, and British intelligence (MI6), potentially linking the Steele dossier to high-level Republican "Never Trump" operatives.

Keywords: [paul singer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-singer.md), katie walsh, [mi6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi6.md), [christopher steele](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-steele.md), [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Saturday Night Live, Robert De Niro as Mueller (40:11–44:44)

Saturday Night Live featured Robert De Niro as Robert Mueller in a sketch depicting the delivery of the Special Counsel report. The hosts criticize the show for being "propagandistic" by putting fictional words into the report that the public has not yet seen, potentially creating false lasting impressions similar to past political parodies.

Keywords: [saturday night live](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saturday-night-live.md), [robert de niro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-de-niro.md), [william barr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-barr.md), [jussie smollett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jussie-smollett.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Natasha Bertrand, NPR Media Analysis (44:44–49:55)

Journalist Natasha Bertrand appeared on NPR to argue that the Mueller report does not answer whether the President is "compromised" by Russia, regardless of criminal conspiracy findings. She cited former CIA Director Mike Morell to claim the report validates the intelligence community's 2017 assessment of Russian interference.

Keywords: natasha bertrand, [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [counterintelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/counterintelligence.md), [mike morell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-morell.md), [russian interference](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-interference.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/12.md)

### 13. GlobalResearch.ca, NPR Listener Call-In (49:55–51:53)

An NPR listener called in to suggest the network is part of a CIA "Operation Mockingbird" media control scheme, referencing the website GlobalResearch.ca. The NPR host quickly dismissed the caller and labeled the website a "Kremlin-funded disinformation think tank," a move the podcast hosts found indicative of media gatekeeping.

Keywords: [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [operation mockingbird](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/operation-mockingbird.md), globalresearch.ca, [kremlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kremlin.md), [disinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disinformation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Jerry Nadler, Mueller Report Redaction Battle (51:53–58:07)

House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler is pushing for an unredacted version of the Mueller report by an April 2 deadline, while the DOJ maintains redactions are necessary for national security. Meanwhile, ratings for MSNBC and Rachel Maddow have seen a significant double-digit drop following the release of the Barr summary.

Keywords: [jerry nadler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-nadler.md), [william barr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-barr.md), [house judiciary committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-judiciary-committee.md), msnbc ratings, [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Joe Biden, Lucy Flores Allegations (58:07–1:00:59)

Former Nevada Lieutenant Governor candidate Lucy Flores accused Joe Biden of inappropriate touching and kissing at a 2014 campaign event. The hosts speculate on the timing of the allegation, wondering if it originated from the Clinton political camp to clear the 2020 Democratic field.

Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), lucy flores, [nevada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nevada.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [sexual harassment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexual-harassment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/15.md)

### 16. One America News, Biden-Brennan Conspiracy Theory (1:00:59–1:07:24)

A segment from One America News (OAN) posits a theory that John Brennan was operating on behalf of Joe Biden to destroy the Trump campaign. The theory suggests Biden holds significant "Dick Cheney-level" power over the intelligence apparatus, though the hosts remain skeptical of Biden's ability to overcome his "creepy old man" public image.

Keywords: [one america news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/one-america-news.md), [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [spygate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spygate.md), [paul manafort](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-manafort.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Eric Holder, Electoral College Abolition (1:07:24–1:12:00)

Former Attorney General Eric Holder called for the abolition of the Electoral College, labeling it a "defect in our democracy." The hosts argue that removing the Electoral College would benefit media companies by forcing billions in television advertising into large markets like California and New York, while disenfranchising smaller states.

Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [electoral college](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electoral-college.md), [popular vote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/popular-vote.md), [media advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-advertising.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Brad Parscale, Trump 2020 Data Strategy (1:12:01–1:16:47)

Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale detailed a massive data harvesting operation that uses cell phone numbers from rally attendees to link individuals to voter files. Parscale claims that 34% of attendees at a recent Michigan rally were Democrats, suggesting the campaign's data-driven approach is significantly more advanced than in 2016.

Keywords: [brad parscale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brad-parscale.md), [data harvesting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-harvesting.md), voter file, michigan rally, [facebook ads](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook-ads.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Darren O'Neill, Jussie Smollett Monopoly Art (1:16:47–1:19:27)

The hosts praise producer Darren O'Neill for his "Get Out of Jail Free" Monopoly-themed artwork featuring Jussie Smollett. They discuss the "Value for Value" model and the "Martini Network" of producers who contribute content and art to the show.

Keywords: [darren o'neill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darren-o-neill.md), [jussie smollett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jussie-smollett.md), [show art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/show-art.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), martini network

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Peter Barthel, E2 Visa and Dairy Farm Crisis (1:19:27–1:23:20)

Executive Producer Peter Barthel shared the story of a Dutch family in Minnesota facing deportation and the loss of their dairy farm due to E2 visa limitations. Despite living and working in the US for two decades, the family's children are being forced back to Holland upon turning 21.

Keywords: e2 visa, [minnesota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minnesota.md), dairy farm, [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [holland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/holland.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Baron Walkman, Squirrel Mail and 80-20 Donation (1:23:20–1:25:01)

Producer Baron Walkman of Ohio sent a donation requesting an "80-20" split in favor of John Dvorak to celebrate his reporting on "Squirrel Mail." The segment includes a "Boom Shakalaka" jingle and a discussion of Dvorak's tenacity in tech reporting.

Keywords: [squirrel mail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/squirrel-mail.md), [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md), [boom shakalaka](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boom-shakalaka.md), [pc magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pc-magazine.md), [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Scott Nelson, British Rail Class 33 Knighting (1:25:05–1:28:25)

Scott Nelson is knighted after contributing to the show, choosing a theme based on the British Rail Class 33 diesel locomotives. The segment includes technical details about the "thinner" 33-2 variant and the history of the manufacturer's bankruptcy.

Keywords: scott nelson, class 33, british rail, [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), locomotive

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Phynonymous, Dame of the Flashing Blades (1:28:26–1:33:27)

A young ice dancer is dubbed "Dame Phynonymous, Dame of the Flashing Blades" as a 17th birthday present from her father. The hosts provide "good luck ice skating karma" for her upcoming competition in Vacaville, California.

Keywords: phynonymous, ice dancing, vacaville, [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/23.md)

### 24. General Jonathan Shaw, Sky News Cutoff (1:33:27–1:36:32)

Major General Jonathan Shaw was abruptly cut off during a Sky News interview after questioning the motive behind a Syrian chemical attack. Shaw noted that the Syrian government was already winning the war, making a chemical strike illogical, at which point the anchor ended the segment citing a lack of time.

Keywords: jonathan shaw, [sky news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sky-news.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), chemical attack, [media censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Jussie Smollett, Whiteface Hoax Allegations (1:36:32–1:41:02)

Jussie Smollett's legal team suggested it was "not implausible" that his attackers wore whiteface makeup under ski masks, citing a video of one of the Osundairo brothers performing a Joker monologue. Comedian Chris Rock mocked the situation at the NAACP Image Awards, calling Smollett a "waste of light skin."

Keywords: [jussie smollett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jussie-smollett.md), whiteface, [today show](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/today-show.md), [chris rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-rock.md), osundairo brothers

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Rahm Emanuel, Trump's "Toxic Environment" Claim (1:41:03–1:45:28)

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel blamed President Trump for creating a "toxic environment" that emboldened Jussie Smollett to stage a hoax. Emanuel linked the incident to Trump's "fine people on both sides" comment regarding Charlottesville, while the hosts suggest Emanuel was pressured to pivot his anger from Smollett to the President.

Keywords: [rahm emanuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rahm-emanuel.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [hate crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crime.md), [charlottesville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlottesville.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Earth Hour, Global Rolling Blackouts (1:45:28–1:47:16)

Cities around the world participated in "Earth Hour" by turning off lights at major landmarks like the Eiffel Tower to raise climate change awareness. The hosts mock the event as a celebration of "inevitable rolling blackouts" caused by a transition to wind and solar energy.

Keywords: [earth hour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/earth-hour.md), [wwf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wwf.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [blackouts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackouts.md), [landmarks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/landmarks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Green New Deal Town Hall (1:47:16–1:49:26)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hosted a Green New Deal town hall on MSNBC, comparing the climate crisis to the national response after 9/11. She drew a parallel between the 3,000 deaths in Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria and the casualties of the 2001 terrorist attacks to justify massive policy shifts.

Keywords: [alexandria ocasio-cortez](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexandria-ocasio-cortez.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [green new deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-new-deal.md), [puerto rico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/puerto-rico.md), [hurricane maria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-maria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Jump Cuts, Information Compression and Human Cognition (1:49:26–1:57:07)

The hosts analyze the "jump cut" editing style prevalent on YouTube, arguing it reflects a broader societal trend toward extreme information compression. This phenomenon includes listening to podcasts at high speeds, using emojis, and consuming news via headlines, which the hosts believe is fundamentally altering human cognition and literacy.

Keywords: [jump cuts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jump-cuts.md), ze frank, information compression, 1.5x speed, [ben shapiro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ben-shapiro.md), [emojis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emojis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Nancy Pelosi, Lyft IPO and PointCast History (1:57:07–2:02:43)

Nancy Pelosi is mocked for requesting applause during a healthcare speech. The discussion transitions to Lyft's successful IPO and Uber's potential delay, drawing historical parallels to the 1980s Atari era and the failure of PointCast, a 1990s "push technology" news service that crashed corporate networks.

Keywords: [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [lyft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lyft.md), [uber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uber.md), [ipo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipo.md), [pointcast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pointcast.md), [atari](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atari.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Experian Boost, Credit Score Behavioral Modification (2:02:45–2:06:31)

The "Experian Boost" service is criticized as a tool for behavioral manipulation, encouraging users to grant access to utility payment data in exchange for a manufactured "Advantage" score. The hosts liken this to a Western version of China's social credit system, designed to train consumers to prioritize certain bills and install tracking apps.

Keywords: [experian boost](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/experian-boost.md), [credit karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credit-karma.md), [fico score](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fico-score.md), [social credit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-credit.md), behavioral modification

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Producer Credits, Reality Check and F-Cancer Karma (2:06:32–2:11:44)

The hosts read a list of mid-tier donors, including Rene Labbe and Mark Tanner. They highlight a "reality check" written on a physical check from a producer in New Jersey and provide "F-Cancer" and job-seeking karma to various listeners.

Keywords: rene labbe, mark tanner, [macon georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macon-georgia.md), [reality check](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reality-check.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Birthday Reads, Knighting Ceremony and Roundtable (2:11:45–2:14:09)

The show concludes with a series of birthday announcements and the formal knighting of Sir Scott Nelson and Dame Phynonymous. The traditional "Roundtable" menu is read, featuring items like "Hookers and Blow" and "Mutton and Mead," as the hosts thank the audience for their continued support.

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [damehood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/damehood.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [mead](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mead.md), [no agenda nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-nation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Fiberglass Chair Creak, Professionalism in Podcasting (2:14:11–2:15:43)

John Dvorak discusses the persistent creaking of his vintage fiberglass chair, which he discovered is a collectible item worth $350. The hosts joke about the lack of "professional" gear compared to corporate networks like Gimlet Media, emphasizing their independent, "closet-based" production style.

Keywords: fiberglass chair, [gimlet media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gimlet-media.md), [studio setup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/studio-setup.md), [collectibles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/collectibles.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Southern Poverty Law Center, Racism and Sexism Scandal (2:15:44–2:22:46)

CNN reported on systemic culture issues at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), including allegations of racism and sexism that led to the firing of co-founder Morris Dees and the resignation of President Richard Cohen. The hosts suggest the organization "fell apart from its own success," accumulating a $400 million war chest while failing to promote or fairly compensate its minority staff.

Keywords: [southern poverty law center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/southern-poverty-law-center.md), [splc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/splc.md), [morris dees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morris-dees.md), richard cohen, cnn report

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Mark Zuckerberg, Internet Regulation and White Nationalism (2:22:46–2:30:16)

Mark Zuckerberg called for global internet regulations following the New Zealand mosque shootings. Simultaneously, Facebook and Instagram announced a ban on "white nationalist" and "white separatist" content, with NPR reporting that these groups use "influencer strategies" to normalize their lifestyles before introducing extremist ideas.

Keywords: [mark zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zuckerberg.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [instagram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/instagram.md), [white nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-nationalism.md), identity europa, [vivian schiller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vivian-schiller.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Electromagnetic Pulse Executive Order, Conspiracy Theory Study (2:30:16–2:34:39)

President Trump issued an executive order to coordinate national resilience against electromagnetic pulses (EMP). Meanwhile, a study from Staffordshire University claims that people who believe in "outrageous conspiracy theories" are more prone to criminal behavior, a finding the hosts find ironically timed given the media's own "Mueller myths."

Keywords: [emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md), [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), [mozambique](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mozambique.md), [cholera](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cholera.md), [conspiracy theories](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theories.md), [science](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/science.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Elliot Abrams, Venezuela and Neocon Influence (2:34:40–2:39:17)

US Special Representative Elliot Abrams warned Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro not to test the "all options on the table" threat, referencing the fate of Manuel Noriega. The hosts lament the return of "neocons" like Abrams and John Bolton to the administration, arguing they have pushed Trump away from his non-interventionist campaign promises.

Keywords: [elliot abrams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elliot-abrams.md), [venezuela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/venezuela.md), [nicolas maduro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nicolas-maduro.md), [john bolton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-bolton.md), [neocons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/neocons.md), [manuel noriega](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manuel-noriega.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Alex Jones, Sandy Hook Deposition Headlines (2:39:21–2:42:39)

Headlines claiming Alex Jones admitted to "insanity" during a Sandy Hook deposition are scrutinized. The actual audio reveals Jones stating he was caught up in "mass groupthink" but refusing to agree to the specific claims of pain and harm presented by the mainstream media and opposing lawyers.

Keywords: [alex jones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alex-jones.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [defamation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/defamation.md), [deposition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deposition.md), [infowars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infowars.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/39.md)

### 40. End of Show Mixes, Jussie Smollett Parody (2:42:40–2:47:25)

The episode closes with a series of musical mixes and parodies. Featured content includes a "Beverly Hillbillies" style song about Jussie Smollett by Tom Starkweather and a montage of Adam Schiff and Joe Biden clips regarding the week's political controversies.

Keywords: [tom starkweather](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-starkweather.md), [jussie smollett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jussie-smollett.md), [parody song](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parody-song.md), [adam schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-schiff.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1125-elusive-logic/chapter/40.md)

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