# 8 Pints of Lager please! > A massive California storm sets the stage for a deep dive into British binge drinking, the CIA origins of Al-Qaeda, and the TSA's new anti-missile lasers. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 11 - **Published:** 2008-01-04 - **Length:** 56m - **Topics:** [Norovirus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norovirus.md), TSA SPOT, [Al-Qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [Iowa Caucus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iowa-caucus.md), [RIAA](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/riaa.md), [Binge Drinking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binge-drinking.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please ## About this episode Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the broadcast as a massive winter storm batters Northern California with 60-mile-per-hour winds. While Dvorak manages property damage in the Santa Cruz mountains, Curry reports on the dark, wet conditions currently paralyzing the United Kingdom. The weather serves as a backdrop for a technical breakdown of their production workflow, revealing how a MacBook Pro and a limited DSL line nearly derailed the recording. The United Kingdom faces a public health crisis with a Norovirus outbreak infecting 200,000 people weekly, including passengers on the Queen Mary 2. Beyond the viral spread, the RIAA is under fire for legal arguments regarding CD ripping, while the TSA expands its SPOT program using Behavior Detection Officers to screen for suspicious ticks. The technology landscape is shifting as enterprise environments abandon desktop workstations for laptops, despite Dvorak’s warnings about ergonomic failure and data security risks. Additional reports examine the CIA origins of the Al-Qaeda name as a database of Mujahideen fighters and the deployment of laser-based anti-missile systems on commercial passenger jets. John C. Dvorak recounts a harrowing chili-eating contest at a Brazilian barbecue that left a fellow journalist in physical distress. The hosts also analyze a documentary featuring a singer from Liberty X that exposes the extreme binge drinking culture in Britain. Adam Curry provides a boots-on-the-ground perspective of the UK health system as officials urge the public to avoid doctor offices to contain the winter vomiting bug. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/transcript.md. ### 1. California Storm and United Kingdom Weather Conditions (0:01–2:15) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program discussing a massive storm hitting Northern California with 60 mile per hour winds. Dvorak describes the intensity of the weather causing noise and property concerns at his home. Curry notes the contrast with the current wet and dark weather conditions in the United Kingdom. Keywords: [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [storm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/storm.md), [weather](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather.md), 60 mile an hour winds [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Skype Connection Issues and Podcast Production Workflow (2:15–3:41) A technical troubleshooting session reveals that previous audio quality issues were caused by a MacBook Pro downloading podcasts via iTunes on a limited DSL line. The hosts discuss their lack of preparation for the current recording and their habit of not listening to their own shows once production is complete. Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [dsl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dsl.md), [macbook pro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macbook-pro.md), [itunes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/itunes.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Norovirus Outbreak and UK Health Crisis (3:42–7:00) The United Kingdom is facing a major Norovirus outbreak, with reports indicating up to 200,000 new infections per week and 2 million total cases. The virus, characterized by extreme symptoms and high contagiousness, has affected major venues including the Queen Mary 2 cruise ship. Health officials are advising the public to avoid doctor offices to prevent further spread of the infection. Keywords: [norovirus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norovirus.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), stomach flu, queen mary 2 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Hot Chili Addiction and Brazil Barbecue Anecdote (7:00–11:42) A discussion on using spicy food to raise body temperature leads to a personal story about eating hot chilies in Brazil. The anecdote describes a competition between journalists at a Rio barbecue restaurant involving small, extremely hot peppers soaked in vinegar. One participant suffered severe physical distress after attempting to swallow the peppers to match a peer's tolerance. Keywords: [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), chilies, churrascarias, [endorphins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/endorphins.md), [hot sauce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-sauce.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Flu Vaccine Efficacy and Pharmaceutical Industry Skepticism (11:44–15:03) The hosts debate the necessity and timing of annual flu shots, questioning how vaccines are developed for mutating viruses. A theory is proposed suggesting pharmaceutical companies may have a role in the seasonal appearance of specific strains to drive antidote sales. The conversation touches on the role of virologists and the natural spread of illness through public interaction. Keywords: [flu shot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flu-shot.md), [vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine.md), [virology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virology.md), [epidemiology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epidemiology.md), pharmaceutical conspiracy [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/5.md) ### 6. RIAA Copyright Claims and Journalistic Misquotation (15:04–19:24) A controversy involving the RIAA and the legality of ripping CDs is examined following a Washington Post article. The discussion focuses on whether a journalist omitted context regarding shared folders to make the RIAA's stance appear more extreme. Legal nuances of the US code regarding personal copies on hard disks versus audio recording devices are analyzed. Keywords: [riaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/riaa.md), [mp3](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mp3.md), [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), business week, [copyright law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright-law.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/6.md) ### 7. TSA SPOT Program and Tourette's Syndrome Screening (19:25–25:14) The TSA has implemented the Screening Passengers by Observation Technique (SPOT) program, utilizing Behavior Detection Officers to identify suspicious travelers. Concerns are raised about how this program affects individuals with Tourette's Syndrome or other involuntary ticks. An anecdote is shared regarding a passenger with Tourette's being removed from a flight due to behavioral misunderstandings. Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [spot program](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spot-program.md), [tourette's syndrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tourette-s-syndrome.md), behavior detection, [profiling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/profiling.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Computing Trends and Laptop Dominance in Business (25:15–30:12) The technology industry is seeing a significant shift from desktop computers to laptops as primary workstations in enterprise environments. While laptops offer portability, the hosts argue they lead to poor ergonomics and increased security risks regarding data backups and theft. Dvorak maintains a preference for high-powered desktop setups with multiple drives and large screens. Keywords: [laptops](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/laptops.md), desktop computers, [podshow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podshow.md), enterprise tech, [data security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-security.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Al-Qaeda Name Origin and Adam Curtis Documentaries (30:12–37:10) Research into the name Al-Qaeda suggests it translates to "the database," originally referring to a CIA file of Mujahideen fighters recruited during the Soviet-Afghan War. The hosts discuss the "Power of Nightmares" documentary by Adam Curtis, which explores how the concept of a unified terror network was marketed to the public. The discussion highlights the role of media memes in shaping public perception of global threats. Keywords: [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [mujahideen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mujahideen.md), [adam curtis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curtis.md), the power of nightmares [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Binge Drinking Culture and Alcoholism in Britain (37:10–40:52) A documentary featuring a singer from Liberty X highlights the extreme binge drinking culture prevalent in the United Kingdom. Statistics show record-breaking emergency calls for alcohol poisoning during New Year celebrations. The hosts discuss the cultural reliance on alcohol for socialization in Britain and the resulting health and social consequences. Keywords: [binge drinking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binge-drinking.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), liberty x, [alcohol poisoning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alcohol-poisoning.md), social culture [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/10.md) ### 11. International Drinking Habits and European Alcohol Standards (40:52–46:07) A comparison of international drinking habits covers the French tradition of wine with lunch and the Danish practice of consuming beer for breakfast at airports. The conversation notes that British ales often have significantly higher alcohol content than standard American beers. The hosts reflect on the physical toll of "pub crawling" and the limits of alcohol tolerance. Keywords: [denmark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denmark.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), carlsberg, ale, alcohol content [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/11.md) ### 12. TSA Anti-Missile Systems for Commercial Aircraft (46:07–49:23) The TSA and Homeland Security are beginning to outfit commercial passenger jets with laser-based anti-missile jamming systems to counter shoulder-fired missiles. Three American airlines have already started testing the technology on transcontinental routes. The discussion references past aviation disasters and the high cost of installing these defense systems across the commercial fleet. Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), laser jammers, twa flight 800, shoulder-fired missiles [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Iowa Caucus System and Political Selection Processes (49:23–51:48) The mechanics of the Iowa caucus are explained, detailing how voters can change their support if a candidate fails to reach a specific threshold. The hosts compare the modern public primary system to the historical "smoke-filled rooms" where party leaders selected candidates. They question whether the current system produces higher quality politicians than the traditional methods. Keywords: [iowa caucus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iowa-caucus.md), [primary elections](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/primary-elections.md), [political parties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-parties.md), smoke-filled rooms, [voting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voting.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/13.md) ### 14. 2008 Presidential Election Predictions and Ticket Speculation (51:50–54:53) Predictions for the 2008 US Presidential election suggest a potential Democratic ticket featuring Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. On the Republican side, John McCain is identified as a frontrunner who may benefit from staying out of the immediate media spotlight. The hosts speculate on the electability of various pairings and the role of Ron Paul's grassroots message. Keywords: [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [ron paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-paul.md), election 2008 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/11-8-pints-of-lager-please/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Show Outro and Production Credits (54:55–56:17) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude the broadcast from their respective locations in the United Kingdom and Northern California. They provide credits for Podshow and Limelight as the content delivery partners. The hosts sign off with a reminder of the show's schedule for the following week. 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