# Hunger Stones

> A week of high-stakes theater in Washington sees the Kavanaugh confirmation descend into procedural chaos while an anonymous resistance official sends the White House into a lodestar-themed frenzy.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1066
- **Published:** 2018-09-06
- **Length:** 3h 3m
- **Topics:** Kavanaugh hearings, Lodestar op-ed, [Jack Dorsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-dorsey.md), [Hunger stones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hunger-stones.md), [Les Moonves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/les-moonves.md), [Money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones

## About this episode

The Senate Judiciary Committee began confirmation hearings for Judge Brett Kavanaugh, sparking immediate procedural protests from Senator Kamala Harris and other Democratic members over the release of 42,000 pages of documents. Senator Lindsey Graham dismissed the opposition as a coordinated effort, labeling the event a hypocrisy hearing while defending the right of a conservative president to nominate conservative jurists. Meanwhile, an anonymous New York Times op-ed from a senior official claiming to be part of a resistance within the administration has triggered a hunt for the author, with the rare word lodestar pointing some toward Vice President Mike Pence.

In the tech sector, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee regarding foreign influence and coordinated inauthentic behavior. Sandberg detailed a new FBI task force designed to identify bad actors, while Dorsey admitted that Twitter's original incentives require a fundamental shift to improve the health of public conversation. Elsewhere, ING Bank in the Netherlands paid a 775 million euro fine for money laundering failures, and CBS CEO Les Moonves entered exit negotiations involving a 100 million dollar stock settlement with potential clawback provisions following sexual harassment allegations. The Elbe River has also revealed historic hunger stones in the Czech Republic, serving as centuries-old warnings of drought that predate modern climate narratives.

Governor John Kasich made a chilling verbal slip on CNN, claiming it had been 24 hours since John McCain was put to death without a correction from Chris Cuomo. During the social media hearings, Congressman Billy Long utilized his professional auctioneer skills to drown out a protest by activist Laura Loomer. Adam Curry and John Dvorak break down these institutional failures and the cozy relationship between the New York Times and the intelligence community.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/transcript.md.

### 1. Train Spotting, Former Culture, and High-Fidelity Audio (0:03–2:34)

The hosts open with a discussion about "The Zephyr" train and the subculture of "foamers" who watch train videos on RFD TV. They suggest a high-fidelity train podcast featuring binaural audio and 192 kHz samples. The conversation transitions into the busy week of C-SPAN coverage regarding Supreme Court hearings and social media influence.

Keywords: the zephyr, sacramento meetup, rfd tv, binaural sound, foamer podcast

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing, Democratic Strategy, and Document Disputes (2:35–6:29)

The Senate Judiciary Committee began confirmation hearings for Judge Brett Kavanaugh, marked by immediate procedural protests from Democratic senators. Senator Kamala Harris and others demanded a postponement due to the late release of 42,000 pages of documents. Republican members pointed to tweets from Chuck Schumer as evidence that the opposition was a coordinated effort to stall the vote regardless of the evidence.

Keywords: [brett kavanaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brett-kavanaugh.md), [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [chuck schumer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-schumer.md), [senate judiciary committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate-judiciary-committee.md), [documents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/documents.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Supreme Court Hearing Grandstanding and Lindsey Graham on Judicial Hypocrisy (6:30–9:33)

Senator Lindsey Graham criticized the Democratic opposition to Brett Kavanaugh, labeling the proceedings a "hypocrisy hearing." Graham noted that past liberal justices like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer were confirmed despite their clear ideological backgrounds. He argued that a conservative president has the right to nominate conservative judges without being forced to pick liberals for the sake of "fairness."

Keywords: [lindsey graham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lindsey-graham.md), [ruth bader ginsburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ruth-bader-ginsburg.md), [stephen breyer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-breyer.md), [aclu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), judicial nominees

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/3.md)

### 4. John Kelly, Lindsey Graham, and the John McCain Funeral Stare (9:33–12:06)

An interaction at John McCain's funeral involved Huma Abedin approaching Lindsey Graham for a brief exchange. White House Chief of Staff John Kelly was observed staring intensely at Graham during the event, making a gesture toward his eye. This moment is analyzed as a potential signal of surveillance or a warning from the administration to the senator.

Keywords: [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [john kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kelly.md), [lindsey graham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lindsey-graham.md), [huma abedin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huma-abedin.md), [funeral](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/funeral.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Ruth Bader Ginsburg Documentary and Personal Reflections (12:06–14:03)

A host reflects on having previously mocked Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg for her age and tendency to fall asleep. After watching a documentary about her life, the speaker expresses newfound respect for her history and sense of humor. Despite this reflection, the hosts agree that the show's satirical nature will likely continue.

Keywords: [ruth bader ginsburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ruth-bader-ginsburg.md), [documentary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/documentary.md), [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [humor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/humor.md), [conscience](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conscience.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Dianne Feinstein, Multi-Economic Courts, and Mediocrity (14:03–15:57)

Senator Dianne Feinstein emphasized the need for a "multi-ethnic, multi-religious, and multi-economic" Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh hearings. The hosts mock the term "multi-economic," questioning if it implies a need for a homeless justice. This draws a comparison to the Nixon era, where a similar argument was made regarding the representation of "mediocre" people in government.

Keywords: [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [diversity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diversity.md), [richard nixon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-nixon.md), multi-ethnic

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/6.md)

### 7. John Kasich Flub Regarding John McCain's Death (15:57–17:37)

During an interview on CNN with Chris Cuomo, Governor John Kasich made a significant verbal slip, stating it had been 24 hours since John McCain was "put to death." The hosts highlight the coldness of the phrasing, noting that neither Kasich nor the interviewer corrected the statement in real-time.

Keywords: [john kasich](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kasich.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [chris cuomo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-cuomo.md), [gaffe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaffe.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Dianne Feinstein on Assault Weapons and NPR Gun Rights Coverage (17:38–20:44)

Senator Dianne Feinstein questioned Brett Kavanaugh on his previous dissent regarding the District of Columbia's ban on semi-automatic rifles. Kavanaugh argued that under Supreme Court precedent, weapons in "common use" cannot be banned, and semi-automatic rifles fall into that category. NPR's Nina Totenberg reported on the exchange, framing Kavanaugh as a starkly pro-gun judge.

Keywords: [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [brett kavanaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brett-kavanaugh.md), [assault weapons ban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assault-weapons-ban.md), [nina totenberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nina-totenberg.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Donald Trump, Roe v. Wade, and Media Misrepresentation (20:45–24:09)

NPR claimed that President Trump promised to appoint justices who would automatically overturn Roe v. Wade. However, a review of the 2016 debate footage shows Trump stating that while he would appoint pro-life judges, the issue of abortion legality would ultimately return to the individual states for determination. The hosts argue the media is omitting the "states' rights" nuance of his position.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [roe v wade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roe-v-wade.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [abortion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abortion.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Mike Lee, Supreme Court History, and the Ginsburg Rule (24:09–29:34)

Senator Mike Lee provided a historical overview of Supreme Court confirmation hearings, noting they only began in 1916 with Louis Brandeis. He detailed how nominees like Felix Frankfurter and Potter Stewart historically declined to answer specific questions about future rulings. Lee argued that the modern "Ginsburg Rule" of not offering "hints or previews" is being ignored by Democrats demanding specific commitments from Kavanaugh.

Keywords: [mike lee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-lee.md), louis brandeis, felix frankfurter, robert bork, [ruth bader ginsburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ruth-bader-ginsburg.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/10.md)

### 11. John Marshall, Thomas Jefferson, and the Origins of Court Packing (29:34–32:53)

A historical analysis explores the early conflict between Chief Justice John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson. Marshall, a "midnight appointment" by John Adams, sought a centralized nation-state, while Jefferson favored a loose association of sovereign states. The segment posits that Marshall’s victory in shaping the judiciary created the centralized America that exists today, effectively defeating Jefferson's agrarian vision.

Keywords: john marshall, [thomas jefferson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-jefferson.md), john rutledge, federalists, [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Susan Collins, Anti-Kavanaugh Advertisement, and Political Threats (32:54–36:00)

A controversial political advertisement targets Maine Senator Susan Collins, threatening to fund her future opponent if she votes to confirm Brett Kavanaugh. The ad features individuals claiming a "yes" vote is a vote to "kill" people with pre-existing conditions and marginalized identities. The hosts find the dramatic delivery of the "non-binary person" in the ad particularly noteworthy.

Keywords: [susan collins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-collins.md), [brett kavanaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brett-kavanaugh.md), [roe v wade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roe-v-wade.md), [maine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maine.md), [political ad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-ad.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Alex Jones Confronts Marco Rubio at Social Media Hearing (36:00–43:42)

Alex Jones confronted Senator Marco Rubio in a hallway during the social media influence hearings, leading to a viral exchange. Jones questioned Rubio on "shadow banning" and the "Safe Harbor Act," while Rubio claimed not to know who Jones was. The interaction escalated when Jones touched Rubio's shoulder, prompting Rubio to warn Jones not to touch him again.

Keywords: [alex jones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alex-jones.md), [marco rubio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marco-rubio.md), [infowars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infowars.md), [first amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-amendment.md), [shadow banning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadow-banning.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Laura Loomer Interruption and Billy Long's Auctioneer Response (43:43–49:28)

During Jack Dorsey's testimony, activist Laura Loomer stood up to protest alleged conservative censorship. In a viral moment, Congressman Billy Long, a former professional auctioneer, began a mock auction chant to drown out her shouting. The tactic successfully lightened the mood of the hearing as Loomer was escorted out by security.

Keywords: [laura loomer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/laura-loomer.md), [jack dorsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-dorsey.md), billy long, auctioneer, [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Jack Dorsey and Sheryl Sandberg on the Definition of Social Media (49:29–54:51)

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee regarding foreign influence. While Google declined to send a top executive, Dorsey and Sandberg offered differing views on their platforms. Sandberg focused on Facebook's role in "giving people a voice" and celebrating birthdays, while Dorsey described Twitter as a "digital public square" with inherent risks.

Keywords: [jack dorsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-dorsey.md), [sheryl sandberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sheryl-sandberg.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [senate intelligence committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate-intelligence-committee.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook Birthdays, and Small Business Narrative (54:52–59:10)

Sheryl Sandberg's testimony emphasized the positive social aspects of Facebook, specifically highlighting "birthday fundraisers" and the platform's utility for small businesses. She argued that social media allows users to share content without permission, though the hosts point out the irony given recent de-platforming incidents involving figures like Alex Jones.

Keywords: [sheryl sandberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sheryl-sandberg.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [small business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business.md), [instagram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/instagram.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Jack Dorsey on Twitter Health and Conversational Incentives (59:11–1:04:45)

Jack Dorsey discussed the need to measure and increase the "health" of public conversation on Twitter. He admitted that the platform's original incentives from 12 years ago are no longer sufficient and suggested that massive shifts in operation are required. The hosts analyze his "deep thinker" persona compared to Sandberg's more corporate approach.

Keywords: [jack dorsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-dorsey.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [machine learning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/machine-learning.md), public square, [incentives](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/incentives.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/17.md)

### 18. FBI Task Force and Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior (1:04:48–1:08:36)

Sheryl Sandberg detailed Facebook's collaboration with a new FBI task force to identify "bad actors" and "coordinated inauthentic behavior." She described "opponents" of democracy as well-funded and organized. The hosts question the vagueness of the term "opponents," suggesting it could be applied broadly to domestic political rivals as well as foreign entities.

Keywords: [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [sheryl sandberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sheryl-sandberg.md), russian influence, [task force](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/task-force.md), bad actors

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Facebook Community Standards and the Definition of Hate Speech (1:08:37–1:13:14)

Facebook's community standards were discussed, with Sandberg clarifying that the platform bans bullying and "language that leads to violence." She struggled to define "inauthentic behavior" beyond fake accounts posing as others. The hosts argue that banning "hate" is a subjective standard that could potentially eliminate large portions of social media discourse.

Keywords: [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [community standards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community-standards.md), [hate speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-speech.md), [bullying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bullying.md), inauthentic actors

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Social Media Incentives and the History of Odeo (1:13:14–1:18:27)

Jack Dorsey suggested that the fundamental incentives of social media apps need to be questioned, as they implicitly drive user behavior. The hosts reminisce about the origins of Twitter, noting it began as "Odeo," a podcasting platform, before pivoting to the "follow" model after podcasting failed to gain immediate mainstream traction in the mid-2000s.

Keywords: [jack dorsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-dorsey.md), [odeo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/odeo.md), [evan williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evan-williams.md), [rss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rss.md), [blogger](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blogger.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Money Laundering, Real Estate, and ING Bank Fines (1:18:27–1:22:19)

ING Bank in the Netherlands paid a 775 million euro fine for failing to prevent money laundering. The discussion shifts to how real estate transactions have historically been used for money laundering because they lack the strict reporting requirements imposed on banks. The hosts suggest that Donald Trump's real estate background likely involved these types of private, cash-heavy transactions common in the industry.

Keywords: [ing bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ing-bank.md), [money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md), [real estate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/real-estate.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Executive Producer Donations and the Mark of the Beast (1:22:20–1:27:19)

The hosts acknowledge high-value donations from "Executive Producers," including a $1,000 "Instant Knight" donation from Brian Gerard. A $666 donation from Jack Swoboda triggers a discussion about the "Mark of the Beast" and a potential spreadsheet error, as the donor intended to send $333. A technical glitch prevents the immediate playing of a listener-submitted audio mix.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [mark of the beast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-of-the-beast.md), [666](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/666.md), [333](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/333.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Birthday Donations, Knighthoods, and Value-for-Value Model (1:27:21–1:32:12)

Adam Curry celebrates his 54th birthday with various listener donations, including a $379.30 contribution from Scott Richardson. Daniel Miller is knighted after a $333.33 donation sent with traditional sealing wax. The hosts defend their "Value-for-Value" model and the hierarchy of titles like Baronet and Knight as a legitimate way to recognize the show's supporters.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [value-for-value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Sunday Special Teaser, Scott Adams, and Dane Jasper Interviews (1:32:14–1:36:45)

John Dvorak teases a special Sunday episode featuring interviews with Sonic.net CEO Dane Jasper and Dilbert creator Scott Adams. Adams discusses how his analysis of Donald Trump as a "master persuader" cost him 40% of his income and 75% of his social circle. Jasper discusses the challenges of building independent fiber-to-the-home infrastructure.

Keywords: [scott adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), dane jasper, [sonic.net](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sonic-net.md), gigabit ethernet, trump persuader

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Sexual Harassment Update, Louis C.K., and Charlie Rose (1:36:48–1:39:35)

The "Sexual Harassment Update" covers the attempted comebacks of men disgraced by the Me Too movement. Louis C.K. returned to the stand-up stage, Matt Lauer hinted at a TV return, and Charlie Rose is reportedly seeking to host a show where he interviews other men brought down by similar scandals. The hosts mock the idea of Rose hosting a show about sexual misconduct.

Keywords: [louis ck](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/louis-ck.md), [matt lauer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-lauer.md), [charlie rose](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlie-rose.md), [me too](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/me-too.md), [cbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Les Moonves Exit Negotiations and CBS Clawback Provisions (1:39:36–1:41:55)

CBS CEO Les Moonves is in settlement talks to exit the company following sexual harassment allegations. While his contract entitles him to $180 million, the board is reportedly offering $100 million in stock with a "clawback" provision. This would allow the company to reclaim the money if further investigations confirm inappropriate acts.

Keywords: [les moonves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/les-moonves.md), [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [severance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/severance.md), joe iannello, [sexual harassment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexual-harassment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Media Network Wars and the Casting Couch Culture (1:41:55–1:45:22)

The hosts discuss the broader implications of the sexual harassment scandals at NBC and CBS, suggesting a "war between networks" where executives are being targeted. They argue that the "casting couch" has been a staple of the industry for decades, driven by the attraction of power. There is speculation that Harvey Weinstein might avoid conviction due to the complexity of the accusations.

Keywords: [harvey weinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvey-weinstein.md), [andy lack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andy-lack.md), [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), [casting couch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/casting-couch.md), [power dynamics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-dynamics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Megyn Kelly Challenges NBC Over Harvey Weinstein Reporting (1:45:22–1:49:57)

Megyn Kelly used her NBC show to challenge her own network's handling of the Harvey Weinstein story. She interviewed producer Rich McHugh, who alleged that NBC blocked Ronan Farrow's reporting. NBC denied the claims, stating they lacked on-the-record witnesses at the time. The hosts praise Kelly's "genius" career move in asserting journalistic independence against her employers.

Keywords: [megyn kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/megyn-kelly.md), [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [ronan farrow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronan-farrow.md), [rose mcgowan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rose-mcgowan.md), [harvey weinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvey-weinstein.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Climate Change in Media and the Elementary TV Formula (1:49:58–1:54:33)

The hosts mock media reports linking Roger Federer's US Open loss to climate change. They also discuss a segment from the TV show "Elementary" involving the manipulation of FEMA flood maps. This leads to a breakdown of the "detective story formula," where the first person introduced (who isn't a main character) is statistically the most likely killer.

Keywords: [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [elementary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elementary.md), [fema](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fema.md), detective stories, murder mystery

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Hunger Stones and Biblical Plagues in Europe (1:54:33–1:56:32)

Low water levels in the Elbe River have revealed "Hunger Stones" in the Czech Republic and Germany. These stones, some dating back to 1904 and earlier, contain warnings from past generations about droughts and bad harvests. The hosts use this as a counter-argument to modern climate change narratives, noting that extreme droughts occurred long before current CO2 levels.

Keywords: [hunger stones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hunger-stones.md), [czech republic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/czech-republic.md), elbe river, [drought](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drought.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Anonymous New York Times Op-Ed and Bob Woodward's Fear (1:56:35–2:02:49)

The New York Times published an anonymous op-ed from a "senior official" claiming to be part of a resistance within the Trump administration. The essay describes the president as impetuous and reckless, echoing themes in Bob Woodward's new book, "Fear." Trump responded by questioning if the act constituted treason, while the White House labeled the author a coward.

Keywords: [bob woodward](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-woodward.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [op-ed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/op-ed.md), [resistance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resistance.md), [treason](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treason.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Analyzing the Resistance Op-Ed and Office Dynamics (2:02:49–2:08:03)

The hosts deconstruct the anonymous op-ed, questioning the "senior official" label and the timing of its release alongside Woodward's book. John Dvorak shares an anecdote from Scott Adams, who views the op-ed as typical "office grousing" from a subordinate who dislikes their boss. They argue that Trump's hyperkinetic style is common among successful real estate developers and entrepreneurs.

Keywords: [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), senior official, [scott adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), office culture, [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Lodestar Theory and Potential Op-Ed Authorship (2:08:04–2:13:21)

The use of the rare word "lodestar" in the anonymous op-ed led to speculation that Vice President Mike Pence or his speechwriters were involved. The hosts suggest the essay's sophisticated structure points away from a typical bureaucrat and toward a coordinated intelligence plant. They reference "Operation Mockingbird" as a historical precedent for CIA influence in the New York Times.

Keywords: [lodestar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lodestar.md), [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [operation mockingbird](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/operation-mockingbird.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/33.md)

### 34. John Kelly Conspiracy Theory and the Adults in the Room (2:13:21–2:17:17)

A theory is proposed that John Kelly and other military intelligence figures coordinated the op-ed and Woodward's book to reassure the public that "adults are in the room." By portraying the White House as a "shit show" that they are successfully managing, they maintain their own power. The hosts suggest Trump may even be in on the plan to shift the news cycle toward "treason" and "fake news."

Keywords: [john kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kelly.md), [bob woodward](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-woodward.md), [conspiracy theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theory.md), [military intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-intelligence.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Birthday Shout-outs and International Podcast Awards (2:17:18–2:22:09)

The hosts read a list of $100 and $54 birthday donations from listeners in Portugal, Canada, and the US. They also mention that their associate, Roderick, won a major podcast award in the Netherlands. Adam Curry notes he was on the jury for the awards but declined to film a congratulatory video to avoid looking "like an idiot" on TV.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [portugal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portugal.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [podcast awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-awards.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Global Donor Roll Call and De-douching Ceremonies (2:22:10–2:27:25)

A long list of donors from Switzerland, Argentina, Luxembourg, and various US states is read. Several listeners receive "de-douching" calls, a show tradition for correcting past social slights. The hosts express gratitude for the personalized nature of these "Value-for-Value" contributions compared to automated social media birthday notifications.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), [luxembourg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/luxembourg.md), [argentina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/argentina.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Meetup Updates and Knighting Ceremony (2:27:26–2:31:20)

The hosts provide updates on upcoming listener meetups in Bucharest and Austin, noting that the Austin date must change to avoid the "Austin City Limits" festival. A formal knighting ceremony is held for Brian Gerard (Sir Scullin' Scrote) and Casey Chrysler (Sir Some Guy in Phoenix), complete with the traditional comedic list of "Hookers & Blow" and other fictional rewards.

Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [bucharest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bucharest.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), scullin scrote

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Bob Woodward Book Denials and Rex Tillerson's Idiot Comment (2:31:21–2:35:59)

Defense Secretary James Mattis and Chief of Staff John Kelly issued formal denials regarding quotes attributed to them in Bob Woodward's book. The hosts compare this to the fallout from Michael Wolff's book, which led to Steve Bannon's exit. They note that while Mattis and Kelly denied the reports, Rex Tillerson notably never denied calling the president an "idiot" before his firing.

Keywords: [bob woodward](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-woodward.md), [james mattis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-mattis.md), [john kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kelly.md), [rex tillerson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rex-tillerson.md), [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/38.md)

### 39. John Kerry's Book Tour and Agent Orange Nickname (2:36:01–2:40:54)

Former Secretary of State John Kerry appeared on CBS to promote his new book, "Every Day Is Extra." During the interview, he suggested he could nickname President Trump "Agent Orange" but claimed he wanted to stay on "substance." Kerry also criticized Trump for not attending John McCain's funeral, despite Trump being explicitly uninvited by the McCain family.

Keywords: [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [simon & schuster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/simon-schuster.md), [agent orange](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agent-orange.md), [iran deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran-deal.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Chuck Todd's Atlantic Article and Media Distrust (2:40:55–2:45:37)

Chuck Todd wrote an article for The Atlantic titled "It's Time for the Press to Stop Complaining and Start Fighting Back." He blames a 50-year campaign of "vilification" led by Roger Ailes for the public's distrust of the media. The hosts argue that Todd ignores the media's own role in destroying its legitimacy through biased reporting and reliance on faulty intelligence sources.

Keywords: [chuck todd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-todd.md), [the atlantic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-atlantic.md), [roger ailes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roger-ailes.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [media trust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-trust.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Chuck Todd and Paul Wolfowitz on Iraq War Intelligence (2:45:38–2:49:47)

A 2016 clip features Chuck Todd interviewing Paul Wolfowitz about the failure of Iraq War intelligence. Todd frames the issue as "everyone believed" Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, effectively absolving the media of its failure to investigate the claims. The hosts point out that Todd parrotted the administration's narrative at the time and is now surprised that the public no longer trusts his reporting.

Keywords: [chuck todd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-todd.md), [paul wolfowitz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-wolfowitz.md), [iraq war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq-war.md), [weapons of mass destruction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weapons-of-mass-destruction.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Jon Stewart vs. Judith Miller on WMD Reporting (2:49:48–2:57:06)

In a classic Daily Show clip, Jon Stewart deconstructs Judith Miller's reporting on Iraq's "aluminum tubes." Stewart highlights how Miller relied on Bush administration sources like Ahmed Chalabi while ignoring experts who disagreed. Miller defends her work as "intelligence failures," while Stewart argues it was an institutional failure of journalism to provide context for a narrative being pushed by the government.

Keywords: [jon stewart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jon-stewart.md), [judith miller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/judith-miller.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), aluminum tubes, ahmed chalabi

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Institutional Failure and the Coziness of Media and Intelligence (2:57:15–3:03:33)

The hosts conclude by discussing the "coziness" between New York Times editors and the intelligence community, where back-channels are used to shape or kill stories. They reiterate that the No Agenda Show exists to fill the gap left by this institutional failure. The episode ends with a sign-off as Adam Curry prepares for a trip to Italy, promising a "Dvorak Doubleheader" for the Sunday special.

Keywords: [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [intelligence community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-community.md), back channels, [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1066-hunger-stones/chapter/43.md)

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