# No Agenda 010 > From the geopolitical fallout of the Bhutto assassination to the ethics of police entrapment, this analysis deconstructs the week's most provocative headlines and tech rumors. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 10 - **Published:** 2007-12-29 - **Length:** 56m - **Topics:** Bhutto assassination, NYPD stings, Apple tablet, [Ron Paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-paul.md), Skype shaping, Baron Hilton - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010 ## About this episode The assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan triggers a debate over CIA involvement and the geopolitical stability of the region under Pervez Musharraf. While some analysts suggest a cookie-cutter intelligence operation designed to pressure the local government, others attribute the violence to radical groups seeking a Sharia state. This high-stakes political maneuvering coincides with a controversial New York Post headline regarding the death of Ike Turner that tests the limits of tabloid journalism. Domestic law enforcement tactics come under scrutiny as the NYPD deploys decoy wallets and iPods in subways to arrest citizens for theft, while Columbus police utilize a naked female officer in a public park sting. These operations mirror an entrapment mentality also seen in American football, where quarterbacks exploit pass interference rules to manufacture penalties. Meanwhile, Apple prepares a lightweight tablet for Macworld featuring a Newton-era pen patent, and Baron Hilton pledges 97 percent of his multi-billion dollar fortune to charity, leaving Paris Hilton with a significantly reduced inheritance. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak navigate the etymology of the phrase by and large while enduring bandwidth shaping from providers like British Telecom and Comcast. The duo explores the future of participation broadcasting and audio Twitter experiments as a remedy for the growing fatigue associated with long-form blogging and fragmented data streams. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/transcript.md. ### 1. Curry Manor and Northern California Holiday Recap (0:01–1:41) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from the United Kingdom and Northern California, respectively. They exchange holiday updates, including Dvorak's trip to Washington State and Curry's recent dinner with family in the Netherlands. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [curry manor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curry-manor.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [northern california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/northern-california.md), [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Cliveden House and 1953 Chateau Latour Wine Pricing (1:42–5:16) A visit to Cliveden House leads to a discussion regarding the exorbitant pricing of vintage wines on restaurant menus. The hosts compare the market value of a 1953 Chateau Latour, priced at over 3,000 pounds at the estate, against potential auction prices and the drinkability of 1995 Bordeaux vintages. Keywords: cliveden house, [chateau latour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chateau-latour.md), [bordeaux](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bordeaux.md), [wine list](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wine-list.md), [sommelier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sommelier.md), 1953 latour [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Benazir Bhutto Assassination and CIA Involvement Theories (5:17–9:23) The assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan prompts a debate over potential CIA involvement and the geopolitical stability of the region. While one perspective suggests a "cookie cutter" intelligence operation to pressure Pervez Musharraf, the counter-argument attributes the event to internal radical groups seeking a Sharia state. Keywords: [benazir bhutto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benazir-bhutto.md), [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), pervez musharraf, [assassination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assassination.md), [sharia state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sharia-state.md), rawalpindi [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/3.md) ### 4. New York Post Headline Regarding Ike Turner (9:24–11:48) A listener from Lionsport highlights a controversial New York Post headline following the death of Ike Turner. The headline, "Ike Turner Beats Tina to Death," is discussed as an example of dark humor and provocative tabloid journalism. Keywords: ike turner, [tina turner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tina-turner.md), [new york post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-post.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [headlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/headlines.md), lionsport [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Apple Lightweight Tablet and Light Pen Patent Rumors (11:48–13:34) Speculation regarding an upcoming Apple lightweight device at Macworld suggests a flash-based tablet utilizing a specific pen-based computing patent. The technology reportedly dates back to the Newton era and allows for screen interaction without specialized hardware, similar to a Wacom tablet. Keywords: [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [macworld](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macworld.md), light pen, [patent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patent.md), [tablet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tablet.md), flash-based, wacom [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Columbus Police Entrapment and Naked Officer Sting (13:35–16:27) A police sting operation in Columbus, Ohio, involved a naked female officer acting as a lure in a public park to arrest potential offenders. A firefighter was arrested and convicted of a sex crime after interacting with the officer, sparking a discussion on entrapment laws and the ethics of such operations. Keywords: [columbus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/columbus.md), [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md), [entrapment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/entrapment.md), [police state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-state.md), [firefighter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/firefighter.md), sex crime, sex sting [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/6.md) ### 7. New York Subway Decoy Thefts and Police Quotas (16:27–18:53) The NYPD is reportedly leaving valuable items like wallets and iPods in the subway system to arrest citizens who pick them up. Despite local laws allowing ten days to turn in found property, over 300 people have been arrested in what is characterized as a tactic to inflate arrest numbers. Keywords: [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [subway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subway.md), [nypd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nypd.md), [entrapment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/entrapment.md), [theft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theft.md), [ipod](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipod.md), wallet [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/7.md) ### 8. American Football Pass Interference and Entrapment Mentality (18:53–21:16) The evolution of scoring in American football is compared to a societal "entrapment mentality," specifically regarding the pass interference penalty. The analysis suggests that quarterbacks intentionally throw uncatchable balls to elicit penalties, mirroring how law enforcement seeks to manufacture crimes. Keywords: american football, pass interference, [entrapment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/entrapment.md), [nfl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nfl.md), scoring, [pre-crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-crime.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Internet Flaming and Police Frustration Theories (21:16–24:15) A discussion on the psychology of internet "flaming" suggests that online aggression stems from personal dissatisfaction and frustration. This behavior is linked to the actions of police and fire departments in New York, who may be acting out due to unresolved tensions surrounding the events of September 11. Keywords: internet flaming, [trolling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trolling.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [nypd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nypd.md), [fdny](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fdny.md), frustration, [psychology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychology.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Etymology of the Phrase By and Large (24:15–27:56) Research into the phrase "by and large" reveals its origins as a nautical term referring to sailing both against and with the wind. Digital archives trace the usage of the term back to 1866 in the book "Iowa and the Rebellion," though it was later characterized as a term used by "rustic people." Keywords: [by and large](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/by-and-large.md), nautical terms, [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [university of california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-california.md), 1866, [etymology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/etymology.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Skype Technical Issues and Bandwidth Shaping (27:59–30:35) The hosts address ongoing technical difficulties with Skype, speculating that internet service providers like British Telecom and Comcast may be engaging in bandwidth shaping or packet prioritization. The audio degradation is compared to the behavior of BitTorrent traffic during peak usage. Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), bandwidth shaping, voice over ip, [british telecom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/british-telecom.md), [comcast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comcast.md), [bittorrent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bittorrent.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Future of Ubiquitous Bandwidth and Audio Twitter (30:36–33:38) A vision for the next five years of media involves ubiquitous bandwidth and two-way digital streaming that functions as a 24-hour continuous audio feed. The concept is compared to "audio Twitter" experiments by Dave Winer, where users call in short voice updates to be published via URL. Keywords: [bandwidth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bandwidth.md), [streaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/streaming.md), [digital radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-radio.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [dave winer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dave-winer.md), twittergram, [dab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dab.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Blogging Fatigue and Information Packaging (33:39–35:30) The rise of micro-blogging platforms like Twitter is attributed to a desire to avoid the "boring BS" of long-form blog posts. However, the hosts express a preference for packaged media over raw data streams, citing the mental exhaustion of assembling information from fragmented sources. Keywords: [blogging](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blogging.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [irc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irc.md), [raw data](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raw-data.md), information consumption, media packaging [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Virtualized Continuous Show and Drinking Games (35:30–38:46) The idea of a "virtualized show" is proposed, where a podcast exists as a never-ending stream rather than discrete episodes. This format would allow listeners to drop in at any point, utilizing RSS snippets to manage the content order without requiring extensive new engineering. Keywords: [drinking game](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drinking-game.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [rss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rss.md), snippets, radio audience, [streaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/streaming.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Participation Broadcasting and Volunteer Content Mashups (38:46–41:20) "Participation Broadcasting" is introduced as a concept where the audience takes an active role in editing and mashing up raw show feeds. This would allow for the creation of themed packages, such as a collection of specific rants, without increasing the workload of the primary hosts. Keywords: participation broadcasting, [editing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/editing.md), [volunteers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volunteers.md), [mashups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mashups.md), [elders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elders.md), knowledge base [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/15.md) ### 16. European Airline Strikes and Virgin Atlantic Labor Dispute (41:21–43:09) A series of strikes by firefighters, security, and maintenance workers is set to disrupt UK travel in mid-January 2008. Additionally, Virgin Atlantic cabin staff are planning a walkout on January 14th due to a 35% pay disparity compared to other airlines. Keywords: airline strike, [virgin atlantic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-atlantic.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [heathrow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heathrow.md), cabin staff, january 2008 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Ron Paul Evolution Controversy and 2008 Election Predictions (44:13–47:39) The political landscape for the 2008 election is discussed, including a viral video of Ron Paul addressing evolution. While Paul has strong support among younger generations, the hosts predict that John McCain is the "insider" choice who will ultimately secure the nomination. Keywords: [ron paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-paul.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [evolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evolution.md), [republican party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican-party.md), [2008 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2008-election.md), [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/10-no-agenda-010/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Martial Law Theories and Media Conditioning (47:39–51:44) Conspiracy theories regarding George W. Bush declaring martial law to stay in office are dismissed as a product of media conditioning. The hosts argue that people "jacked into the matrix" of television and internet cross-referencing lose the ability to distinguish humor or hyperbole from reality. 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